My first 'racist' thread

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:46

QABoy said:
No he doesn't because we've had debates about this in the pub. He doesn't agree in mixed marriages or interbreeding but has said on these forums that if his two daughters decided to go up that path then there isn't much he could do about it.

I stand corrected then if so. I await his grilling by phykell who has made this his pet subject

And lets face it, people who believe in mixed marriages are actually the minority in this world because billions don't beieve in it.

I agree.

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:50

Arcade Fire said:
All that the thread has convinced me of is that dirtydog is a white supremacist and a polemic racist, whose views on immigration, multiculturalism and multiracialism are informed by institutional bias and unfounded dislike, rather than anything like clear thought or hard evidence.

How do you reach the conclusion that my views on race, immigration and multiculturalism are unfounded and not based on evidence? :confused:

I have posted a wealth of evidence to back up my claims over the years. I have made lengthy arguments and I have posted countless news articles.

The Running Man · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:51

QABoy said:
And lets face it, people who believe in mixed marriages are actually the minority in this world because billions don't beieve in it.

this is not father christmas that we are talking about. how can they not believe in it? they may not actively match make mixed marriages, but the difference between tolerating or actively trying to impede the events from happening are wild.

QABoy · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:51

Anybody who thinks that the BNP will gain power in this country have got to be mentally deranged. The only thing they will gain is small victories here and there. I live in a very racist City where for the most part blacks dislike whites and whites dislike blacks especially Pakistanis. I never hear anything positive about blacks but BNP voters are minimal and always will be. Also dirtydog, sending em all back is voluntary, I know that and I'm not a BNP member. I heard Griffin say on tv that all the illegals,asylum seekers and extremists will be sent back but others would be voluntary and would have help off the government if they want to go back. Of course this is unworkable.

Things change I've changed · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:58

QABoy said:
Anybody who thinks that the BNP will gain power in this country have got to be mentally deranged. The only thing they will gain is small victories here and there. I live in a very racist City where for the most part blacks dislike whites and whites dislike blacks especially Pakistanis. I never hear anything positive about blacks but BNP voters are minimal and always will be. Also dirtydog, sending em all back is voluntary, I know that and I'm not a BNP member. I heard Griffin say on tv that all the illegals,asylum seekers and extremists will be sent back but others would be voluntary and would have help off the government if they want to go back. Of course this is unworkable.

Have you ever thought that some people may be voting for the BNP as a protest vote to show the other partys that they are not happy with their currunt ideals, if others see the BNP gaining the odd seat here and there then they it could quite possibly lead them to rethinking some of their policies.

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:58

QABoy said:
Anybody who thinks that the BNP will gain power in this country have got to be mentally deranged. The only thing they will gain is small victories here and there. I live in a very racist City where for the most part blacks dislike whites and whites dislike blacks especially Pakistanis. I never hear anything positive about blacks but BNP voters are minimal and always will be. Also dirtydog, sending em all back is voluntary, I know that and I'm not a BNP member. I heard Griffin say on tv that all the illegals,asylum seekers and extremists will be sent back but others would be voluntary and would have help off the government if they want to go back. Of course this is unworkable.

This is not news to me. I am not a BNP member. Someone who IS a BNP member however should presumably support the core tenets of their party's policies, and vote for them in elections etc. Otherwise what the hell are they a member for? It makes no sense.

QABoy · 17 Jul 2007 at 13:05

lowrider007 said:
Have you ever thought that some people may be voting for the BNP as a protest vote to show the other partys that they are not happy with their currunt ideals, if others see the BNP gaining the odd seat here and there then they it could quite possibly lead them to rethinking some of their policies.

I live and work in Stoke with hundreds of people and I can quite confidently say that ninety nine percent of BNP votes were protest votes.

QABoy · 17 Jul 2007 at 13:12

dirtydog said:
This is not news to me. I am not a BNP member. Someone who IS a BNP member however should presumably support the core tenets of their party's policies, and vote for them in elections etc. Otherwise what the hell are they a member for? It makes no sense.

I'd like to know what you think these basic core tenets of the BNP are?

phykell · 17 Jul 2007 at 14:14

dirtydog said:
Seriously, don't you think it is bizarre that DMP has the views he does - I think he also supports mixed race relationships and interbreeding - when he is a BNP member?

I find it odd that's he's actually a member but I understand why someone might wish to vote BNP as a "protest" vote.

Also, there's nothing wrong with supporting mixed-race relationships. Would you expect a blind person to object to them for example?

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 14:17

phykell said:
Also, there's nothing wrong with supporting mixed-race relationships.

There is if you're a BNP member, or you're in the wrong party

That was my point.

Would you expect a blind person to object to them for example?

Why would being blind have anything to do with it. If someone is opposed to the principle of it, then whether they can see it or not is irrelevant. What a strange question

phykell · 17 Jul 2007 at 14:28

dirtydog said:
There is if you're a BNP member, or you're in the wrong party That was my point.

It's best for him to answer I guess.

dirtydog said:
Why would being blind have anything to do with it. If someone is opposed to the principle of it, then whether they can see it or not is irrelevant. What a strange question

Surely white supremacy wouldn't exist if the human race was blind although somebody would no doubt find something else to discriminate on

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 14:33

phykell do you think it is only whites who oppose mixed race relationships or interbreeding? Do you think only whites oppose multiculturalism? Do you think only whites are 'racist'? You certainly seem to.

phykell · 17 Jul 2007 at 14:35

dirtydog said:
phykell do you think it is only whites who oppose mixed race relationships or interbreeding? Do you think only whites oppose multiculturalism? Do you think only whites are 'racist'? You certainly seem to.

No of course not! Ignorance, stupidity and bigotry are not limited to the "white race" by any means

Angilion · 17 Jul 2007 at 14:41

QABoy said:
Anybody who thinks that the BNP will gain power in this country have got to be mentally deranged. The only thing they will gain is small victories here and there. I live in a very racist City where for the most part blacks dislike whites and whites dislike blacks especially Pakistanis. I never hear anything positive about blacks but BNP voters are minimal and always will be. Also dirtydog, sending em all back is voluntary, I know that and I'm not a BNP member. I heard Griffin say on tv that all the illegals,asylum seekers and extremists will be sent back but others would be voluntary and would have help off the government if they want to go back. Of course this is unworkable.

Labour said that the "ID card" scheme (an effective piece of misdirection - the ID cards are a very small part of it) was voluntary. And so it was - for a little while.

Many Germans in the 1920s thought that the National Socialist Party (the Nazis) would never get elected. I think you're being complacent.

Arcade Fire · 17 Jul 2007 at 15:36

dirtydog said:
How do you reach the conclusion that my views on race, immigration and multiculturalism are unfounded and not based on evidence? I have posted a wealth of evidence to back up my claims over the years. I have made lengthy arguments and I have posted countless news articles.

I cannot see a single reason why anyone would be opposed to interracial marriages except for the fact that they're massively biased against people who aren't the same race as them. Every single argument for the superiority of one particular race can be blown away by biological, historical, sociological and geographical arguments (I refer you again to Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs and Steel) so the only conclusion that I can draw is that people who still support said arguments is that they're either (i) deliberately ignoring the evidence, which is stupid, or (ii) they're so institutionally racist that they don't even see that there's any evidence to be ignored.

Your arguments against immigration aren't always wrong. I agree that the present level of immigration is probably too much for the country to stand for an extended period of time (if nothing else, the natives are getting restless) but I stop short of your ideas of an almost total ban on immigration and a desire for different races not to mix with each other.

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 15:43

I don't think whites are superior to other races; that is not my reason for wanting to keep Britain predominantly white at all. Just as I don't 'hate' Poles, but I still don't want millions of them flooding into Britain.

phykell · 17 Jul 2007 at 16:32

dirtydog said:
I don't think whites are superior to other races; that is not my reason for wanting to keep Britain predominantly white at all. Just as I don't 'hate' Poles, but I still don't want millions of them flooding into Britain.

But on a scale of desirability, you believe non-whites score lower than white Poles and this is purely because of their race as I understand it. Also, your comparison between the potential influx of Poles with reduction of the white to non-white minority is specious at best, and realistically is an inappropriate comparison. Your problem with Poles may be due to housing and public services already being overloaded; however, your problem with non-whites appears to be a purely intangible one - a fanatically aesthetic concern with the colour of a person's skin.

RetiredGreyFox · 17 Jul 2007 at 17:53

dirtydog said:
There is if you're a BNP member, or you're in the wrong party That was my point.

Good grief, whats up with people.
Nick Griffin doesn't like the idea of mixed marriages.
I don't like the idea of mixed marriages.
Billions upon billions of people around the world don't like the idea of mixed marriages.

BANNING MIXED MARRIAGES IS NOT A POLICY OF THE BNP.
YOU WILL NOT BE BEHEADED IF YOU DO IT.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DISLIKE THE IDEA OF MIXED MARRIAGES TO BE A BNP MEMBER OR TO VOTE FOR THEM.
IN FACT PHYKELL CAN VOTE FOR THE BNP IF HE WANTS.