My first 'racist' thread

DavidMarq · 16 Jul 2007 at 16:37

AloeVera said:
Is this a joke

Having previous knowledge of posts made by the OP, apparently not.

Am I seriously expected to believe a word of that original post??

That is entirely up to you. If you wish to accuse the OP of lying then have the courage of your convictions.

How gullible and stupid do you think I am?

As this was only your third post here then you personal gullibility and stupidity is a matter that is still waiting to be proved. Trolling a thread does not obviously go in your favour.

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 16:54

dirtydog said:
But since they are here and most probably are staying, then they should integrate.

Well some of "them" were born here of course and still don't integrate, however, as that may imply interracial relationships, isn't that something that white nationalists would be firmly against? So you want them to integrate but only as long as they keep to themselves. :confused:

dirtydog said:
I agree. They should become like us, but as you say it is unlikely to happen which is why it would really be better that they just didn't come in the first place.

Isn't it academic? They are not like *you*, they never will be because they're not of the white race.

I'm sorry I seem to be labouring this point but this is crucial. There is prevailing opinion that immigrants should integrate but that this should only be in certain areas. Should you really be surprised when the immigrants themselves also have their own ideas of acceptable immigration?

For example, Muslims may come to the UK with every intention of working hard but they may wish to keep their customs such as burkhas and so on. Now admittedly I'm no fan of such customs, you know my stance on Halal meat for example, but either you say that you want them to integrate or you state a clear case of what integration actually constitutes in your opinion. Can you blame them for feeling confused and conversely can you blame the "natives" for feeling somewhat aggrieved? There is no clear frame of reference and while their right to ever being called British, and while the BNP, who say they represent the best of Britain, wish to deny them interracial relationships for example, as though their blood will pollute the precious English bloodline, then how will they ever reach a point at which they believe they have truly integrated?

dirtydog · 16 Jul 2007 at 17:46

phykell said:
Well some of "them" were born here of course and still don't integrate, however, as that may imply interracial relationships, isn't that something that white nationalists would be firmly against? So you want them to integrate but only as long as they keep to themselves.

They can integrate culturally - it doesn't mean they have to breed with whites

The two are not mutually exclusive.

RetiredGreyFox · 16 Jul 2007 at 17:56

Surfer said:
No offence but that all seems very cliched.
If i didnt know better (maybe i dont lol) i would say you just made all that up

Yeah Ok, you're right.

dirtydog said:
You're right, it is very unbelievable. Your branch of the BNP must be unique if its membership supports multiracialism.

1) - Hindus and Sihks can often be seen at the meetings although they can't be members.

2) - Just because somebody votes BNP it does not mean that they follow every policy and doctrine to the letter. I'm pretty sure that Labour voters didn't follow Bliars words to the hilt. For some reason there is this myth that if you vote BNP you must believe in everything Griffin has spouted and I'm afraid BNP voters are mainly voting for one thing and we all know what that is.

3) - Believe it or not a person who votes BNP is a normal person and they can make their own minds up about individuals. On Oct 17th I will be going to the Stoke Beer Festival with two pakistani workmates who drink beer, watch porn and don't pray. If Griffin says I can't do that then he can get stuffed also.

leaskovski said:
Not so, they could have been chaved up kappa slappers

They were aged between 46 and 52.
Old labour voters who are the worst racists going.

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:04

dirtydog said:
They can integrate culturally - it doesn't mean they have to breed with whites The two are not mutually exclusive.

So let me get this right, they can integrate so that means they should live amongst whites rather than form their own communities but they aren't allowed to integrate so much that they form relationships with whites and have children of mixed-race?

dirtydog · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:05

dmpoole said:
2) - Just because somebody votes BNP it does not mean that they follow every policy and doctrine to the letter. I'm pretty sure that Labour voters didn't follow Bliars words to the hilt. For some reason there is this myth that if you vote BNP you must believe in everything Griffin has spouted and I'm afraid BNP voters are mainly voting for one thing and we all know what that is.

3) - Believe it or not a person who votes BNP is a normal person and they can make their own minds up about individuals. On Oct 17th I will be going to the Stoke Beer Festival with two pakistani workmates who drink beer, watch porn and don't pray. If Griffin says I can't do that then he can get stuffed also.

There's a lot about the BNP I don't agree with too. However, you seem to be opposed to the most basic and core tenets of their beliefs which makes me genuinely wonder why on earth you are a member

dirtydog · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:07

phykell said:
So let me get this right, they can integrate so that means they should live amongst whites rather than form their own communities but they aren't allowed to integrate so much that they form relationships with whites and have children of mixed-race?

Got it in one

And not just physically living amongst whites but - wherever they live - adopting the native culture, religion (or lack of), dress and so on. All of that is necessary to integrate.

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:07

dirtydog said:
There's a lot about the BNP I don't agree with too. However, you seem to be opposed to the most basic and core tenets of their beliefs which makes me genuinely wonder why on earth you are a member

What? Can't he go out with a couple of Pakistani mates then?

And yes, I'm afraid your brand of white nationalism has eclipsed DMP's.

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:15

dirtydog said:
Got it in one

And not just physically living amongst whites but - wherever they live - adopting the native culture, religion (or lack of), dress and so on. All of that is necessary to integrate.

So what measures should Britain take to prevent miscegenation? Separate areas on buses, segregated public facilities and separate schools? Is Apartheid the solution?

dirtydog · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:17

phykell said:
What? Can't he go out with a couple of Pakistani mates then?

And yes, I'm afraid your brand of white nationalism has eclipsed DMP's.

I don't believe DMP has ever said he is a white nationalist.

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:22

dirtydog said:
I don't believe DMP has ever said he is a white nationalist.

There are certain parallels between the BNP and WN, a white Britain is one of them.

bobert50 · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:24

[TW]Fox said:
Do you know I actually had my first proper experience of racism last night.

Parked the car and immediatly got a bad feeling as a load of youths in hoodys (Nothing against hoodys, I was also wearing one) stared at me.

Walked into KFC and stood in the queue behind a black guy minding his own business having a look at the menu. Then a skinhead guy walks in and starts mouthing off at him about how he's gonna knock him out, how he is a black this, black that, how he hates all his kind.. it was getting rather tense.

Oh how i miss living in england

not!!!

dirtydog · 16 Jul 2007 at 18:28

phykell said:
There are certain parallels between the BNP and WN, a white Britain is one of them.

Yes but does he strike you as a supporter of the BNP, beyond the fact that he is a member? I think he even said he wouldn't vote for them!

Gaygle · 16 Jul 2007 at 19:03

dirtydog said:
Got it in one

And not just physically living amongst whites but - wherever they live - adopting the native culture, religion (or lack of), dress and so on. All of that is necessary to integrate.

Can i just ask, why are you so against mixed race children or mixed race relationships? I would like to use myself as an example. I am mixed race. white/asian, lived in england since birth, do anything my white friends do, dress exactly the same, i have pretty much no connection to indian cultures. Oh and i also hate religion. In effect i am as English as all my other mates(just with a very slight darker skin). My dad (Asian), he's as english as sunday roasts, no accent, not even a very dark complex and does anything John Smith down the road would do. And my ma is white from up north.

Would it be right (in your eyes, of course) if i went out with a white female? If not, why not?

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 19:25

Gaygle said:
Would it be right (in your eyes, of course) if i went out with a white female? If not, why not?

Answering for DD (I'm of mixed-race myself), I don't think he minds you having a relationship with a white girl as long as you don't have any children, because he doesn't want Britain becoming any browner than it already is regardless of how "British" your children's upbringing would be. That's right isn't it DD?

DD tell him what you think of his mother!

RetiredGreyFox · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:01

dirtydog said:
Yes but does he strike you as a supporter of the BNP, beyond the fact that he is a member? I think he even said he wouldn't vote for them!

I've never voted for anybody because they are all lying cheating scumbags however if I HAD to choose I would vote BNP but I would still choose my friends no matter what colour they are.
The only time I've voted was to get our Gay mayor out of the council but that wasn't because he was a bender but because he was bloody useless.

And since when were the core tenets and beliefs of the BNP the rule where I can't choose my mates?
I have been in Griffins company 5 times and the only people he puts down are the Muslim extremists.
I have heard him say 5 times that there are many Muslims who live decent law abiding lives etc and this is part of the full speech that the BBC decided to edit out and eventually got his innocent verdict.

dirtydog · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:02

phykell said:
DD tell him what you think of his mother!

What do I think? :eek:

Maybe you should tell me what I think because you seem to have a better idea than I do

dirtydog · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:03

dmpoole said:
I've never voted for anybody because they are all lying cheating scumbags however if I HAD to choose I would vote BNP but I would still choose my friends no matter what colour they are.
The only time I've voted was to get our Gay mayor out of the council but that wasn't because he was a bender but because he was bloody useless.

And since when were the core tenets and beliefs of the BNP the rule where I can't choose my mates?
I have been in Griffins company 5 times and the only people he puts down are the Muslim extremists.
I have heard him say 5 times that there are many Muslims who live decent law abiding lives etc and this is part of the full speech that the BBC decided to edit out and eventually got his innocent verdict.

The BNP are opposed to mass immigration, multiculturalism and multiracialism. Those are three of the core tenets. You do not seem to share them, therefore you are a strange person to be a BNP member.

neocon · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:04

3 racist women, thats a new one

RetiredGreyFox · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:17

dirtydog said:
The BNP are opposed to mass immigration, multiculturalism and multiracialism. Those are three of the core tenets. You do not seem to share them, therefore you are a strange person to be a BNP member.

I'm opposed to mass immigration but not to a person who was born here like the bloke in the OP.

I'm not a great lover of multiculturism and would rather do without it.

looking at WIKI's description of multiracialism I'm not a great lover of that either.

However, none of those beliefs should make me dislike somebody just because of the colour of their skin.
I do have a distrust of anybody who is black but it doesn't stop me from eventually liking and trusting them.