My first 'racist' thread

Gaygle · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:17

phykell said:
Answering for DD (I'm of mixed-race myself), I don't think he minds you having a relationship with a white girl as long as you don't have any children, because he doesn't want Britain becoming any browner than it already is regardless of how "British" your children's upbringing would be. That's right isn't it DD?

DD tell him what you think of his mother!

Thanks for clearing it up. I'll be sure to consult DD again if i want kids in the future

Edinho · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:49

dmpoole said:
This disgusts 3 women who have a go at them for their beliefs and they admit to voting Labour.

Say no more. :rolleyes:

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 20:49

dirtydog said:
What do I think? Maybe you should tell me what I think because you seem to have a better idea than I do

I assume you don't respect her for her decision to have a child of mixed-race and of course that applies to my parents too because they had me and now I'm married to a white women too! Will it ever end?

RetiredGreyFox · 16 Jul 2007 at 21:07

phykell said:
I assume you don't respect her for her decision to have a child of mixed-race and of course that applies to my parents too because they had me and now I'm married to a white women too! Will it ever end?

Blue Mink
Melting Pot

Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy
Oh like a Curly Latin kinkies
Oh Lordy, Lordy, mixed with yellow Chinkees, yeah
You know you lump it all together
And you got a recipe for a get along scene
Oh what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

Rabbis and the friars
Vishnus and the gurus
We got the Beatles or the Sun God
Well it really doesn't matter what religion you choose
And be thankful little Mrs. Graceful
You know that livin' could be tasteful
We should all get together in a lovin machine
I think I'll call up the queen
It' s only fair that she knows, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough enough enough to take
The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

Everybody join in.

phykell · 16 Jul 2007 at 21:17

dmpoole said:
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A classic

alexakasloth · 16 Jul 2007 at 21:22

How strange, though it can spoil some parties, like my friends 18th. Her parents were there and they were talking politics, so naturally other people get involved. I stayed mutual, but then you get the labour and green voters against the BNP and UKIP supporters.

Pixel · 16 Jul 2007 at 21:58

It's the Labour voters that come up with most of the PC stupidity, in my experience. Let's all scream "that's racist!" at the guy who says he's "dreaming of a white Christmas". Let's brand any man a "sexist pig" because he held a door open for a woman.

As far as I'm concerned, the PC brigade are far more racist than most people.

manoz · 16 Jul 2007 at 22:12

dirtydog said:
What I say is that they *should* integrate. Not that I 'want' them to; what I 'want' is for them not to have come here in the first place. But since they are here and most probably are staying, then they should integrate.

I agree. They should become like us, but as you say it is unlikely to happen which is why it would really be better that they just didn't come in the first place.

Become like us? lmao :/, ever occur to you there maybe be reasons why they don't want to fully integrate into society. There's things you and us all can learn from them, and likewise they can learn from us.

Nitefly · 16 Jul 2007 at 22:22

dirtydog said:
They can integrate culturally - it doesn't mean they have to breed with whites The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Got it in one

And not just physically living amongst whites but - wherever they live - adopting the native culture, religion (or lack of), dress and so on. All of that is necessary to integrate.

If I had children I wouldn't care if they were white, black, brown, yellow, albino, purple, green or orange.

Skin colour is absolutely meaningless to me, as meaningless as the colour of my hair. I would date and marry someone of any colour as long as they were a beautiful person. Why is this not the case for you? I do not understand.

Do you look down on me for not appreciating the colour of my skin?

Angilion · 16 Jul 2007 at 23:10

Kermit said:
I think many of the posters in response to dmpoles OP are failing to see the distinction between race & religion here as its clear to me that the OP and the other "blokes" quickly warmed to the Pakistani guy once they realised through communication that despite first appearances once they saw past their pre-conceptions he turned out to be pretty much just like them which what counts is it not?

If it was purely a private matter, perhaps. It is not. It is a political matter and the 4 men the OP referred to have made it a political matter by voting BNP.

I don't know what to feel for them - pity for being such gullible fools and for being used as tools by the BNP or contempt for their laziness in giving their vote to a party without spending even a minute looking at that party's policies. Both, I think.

What counts even just in the apparently purely personal context of the party dmpoole talked about is that those four men openly support the BNP and are trying to make it the government. They are trying to get an openly fascist party into power, one that would "encourage" the man that dmpoole claims these 4 men were defending from racism to leave the country.

I'd like to believe that no-one is foolish enough to support the BNP unless they support the BNP's freely declared and publically available policies, but I know that too many people are that foolish.

Angilion · 16 Jul 2007 at 23:26

dmpoole said:
1) - Hindus and Sihks can often be seen at the meetings although they can't be members.

2) - Just because somebody votes BNP it does not mean that they follow every policy and doctrine to the letter. I'm pretty sure that Labour voters didn't follow Bliars words to the hilt. For some reason there is this myth that if you vote BNP you must believe in everything Griffin has spouted and I'm afraid BNP voters are mainly voting for one thing and we all know what that is.

3) - Believe it or not a person who votes BNP is a normal person and they can make their own minds up about individuals. On Oct 17th I will be going to the Stoke Beer Festival with two pakistani workmates who drink beer, watch porn and don't pray. If Griffin says I can't do that then he can get stuffed also.

So why are you attempting to get those two workmates, amongst many other people out of this country? That is what you are doing when you support the BNP, because that is BNP policy.

It isn't about following "every policy and doctrine to the letter". It's about following the general policy of the party, at the very least. You are currently claiming to support a party at the same time as claiming that you don't support it. You can't have it both ways.

If what you say about your own opinions is true, then you would be in for a very nasty surprise if the BNP do get enough power. You talk about "everything Griffin has spouted", which implies that you view at least some of what he says with contempt. He's the BNP party leader. You aren't. If the BNP become the government, he'll be the PM. You won't. I'm sure you realise that means his opinions will be government policy and yours won't.

So...if the party you so strongly promote gets into power, would you go to the port with those two workmates of yours and say goodbye to them?

Angilion · 16 Jul 2007 at 23:31

dirtydog said:
There's a lot about the BNP I don't agree with too. However, you seem to be opposed to the most basic and core tenets of their beliefs which makes me genuinely wonder why on earth you are a member

Many members of the BNP (and many people who vote for them but aren't members) do not support the BNP. They support the electable facade and have mistaken that for the party itself. This, of course, is the whole point of the electable facade. "Useful idiots" is a contemptuous term, but it exists for a reason.

Angilion · 16 Jul 2007 at 23:36

phykell said:
What? Can't he go out with a couple of Pakistani mates then?

And yes, I'm afraid your brand of white nationalism has eclipsed DMP's.

i) Think about what you're asking. A central tenet of BNP policy and belief is that the people you refer to shouldn't be allowed to even live in this country. So, obviously, a supporter of the BNP should not want them in the country, let alone view them as friends and go out with them. It's like joining Save The Whales and then going whale-hunting. Frankly, it's ridiculous.

ii) I think these two "Pakistanis" are English or British.

Angilion · 16 Jul 2007 at 23:47

Gaygle said:
Can i just ask, why are you so against mixed race children or mixed race relationships? I would like to use myself as an example. I am mixed race. white/asian, lived in england since birth, do anything my white friends do, dress exactly the same, i have pretty much no connection to indian cultures. Oh and i also hate religion. In effect i am as English as all my other mates(just with a very slight darker skin). My dad (Asian), he's as english as sunday roasts, no accent, not even a very dark complex and does anything John Smith down the road would do. And my ma is white from up north.

Would it be right (in your eyes, of course) if i went out with a white female? If not, why not?

There's no "in effect" about it. You are English.

"English" cannot be about bloodlines, because if it was then it's almost impossible that anyone is English any more.

England is named for the Angles, a Germanic tribe who (together with other related peoples, particularly the Saxons) conquered a large part of Britain over a period of couple of centuries after the Romans withdrew. The land they held was Angle land - England.

Given the mingling with Celts (who had already mingled with Romans), possibly more mingling with Picts, then a couple of centuries of mingling with Scandanavians (England was part of a Scandanavian empire for a while), then the Norman (French) conquest, etc, etc...it's incredibly unlikely that anyone alive today has only Angle ancestors. So it's incredibly unlikely that anyone is English by bloodline.

So English has to be a nationality, not a bloodline. It's about where your home is, what your culture is. Which makes you English. It also makes your father English, even if he was born elsewhere.

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 03:10

phykell said:
Will it ever end?

All the threads and posts about this subject? Even I'm getting bored of it now :eek:

Seriously, don't you think it is bizarre that DMP has the views he does - I think he also supports mixed race relationships and interbreeding - when he is a BNP member?

Zip · 17 Jul 2007 at 03:12

dirtydog said:
Seriously, don't you think it is bizarre that DMP has the views he does - I think he also supports mixed race relationships and interbreeding - when he is a BNP member?

Whats wrong with that? :confused:

Aslong as they arnt family then why hold back?

DavidMarq · 17 Jul 2007 at 03:56

Zip said:
Whats wrong with that?

Aslong as they arnt family then why hold back?

But what if the baby came out striped like a zebra, or spotted like a dalmatian, or even with black and white squares like a chequerboard?

Black and white makes grey. Does that mean John Major was mixed race?

People should be free to breed with whatever colour of partner they chose regardless of the bigotry of others, and of course they are.

dirtydog · 17 Jul 2007 at 07:18

Zip said:
Whats wrong with that?

Aslong as they arnt family then why hold back?

Did you read my post? Read it again - the answer you seek is contained within it.

QABoy · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:24

dirtydog said:
Seriously, don't you think it is bizarre that DMP has the views he does - I think he also supports mixed race relationships and interbreeding - when he is a BNP member?

No he doesn't because we've had debates about this in the pub. He doesn't agree in mixed marriages or interbreeding but has said on these forums that if his two daughters decided to go up that path then there isn't much he could do about it. And lets face it, people who believe in mixed marriages are actually the minority in this world because billions don't beieve in it.

Arcade Fire · 17 Jul 2007 at 11:43

All that I take from the OP is a confirmation of my two previous (unsupported) beliefs: (i) Not all BNP members are despicable racists, and (ii) there are are a lot of really stupid middle-aged working- and middle- class white people out there.

All that the thread has convinced me of is that dirtydog is a white supremacist and a polemic racist, whose views on immigration, multiculturalism and multiracialism are informed by institutional bias and unfounded dislike, rather than anything like clear thought or hard evidence.