I've ordered one camera and one junction box now, just to have a play. I will aim to get the camera installed at the back of the house in the next few weeks (I can temp run a network cable out the window to test it). If I am happy I can proceed with buying the second camera and cable reel, then work on the main install.
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I was a bit bored this afternoon so I thought I would put my mind to rest with regards to location for the network socket (i.e would I run in to some problems). I probably took way longer than most people (1 hour).
First problem, not enough room for the back box! There is a double plug socket 40mm to the left with a 25mm backbox which I can see the foil of the kingspan behind, maybe they recessed it during the installation. Anyway, I carefully cut some out, along with the plastic vapor barrier.
I found some foil tape so I carefully stuck it to the vapor barrier, then pushed it in to the recess.
That'll do. There is a stud on the left which I should be able to get one screw in to (at an angle). I may well bond it in place with some plasterboard adhesive I have once I have routed my cables.
First problem, not enough room for the back box! There is a double plug socket 40mm to the left with a 25mm backbox which I can see the foil of the kingspan behind, maybe they recessed it during the installation. Anyway, I carefully cut some out, along with the plastic vapor barrier.
I found some foil tape so I carefully stuck it to the vapor barrier, then pushed it in to the recess.
That'll do. There is a stud on the left which I should be able to get one screw in to (at an angle). I may well bond it in place with some plasterboard adhesive I have once I have routed my cables.
@WJA96 I've had my camera delivered today with the junction box and pole mount. I've been having a play, seems easy to setup and connect to via browser and mobile app.
I did not realize the junction box did not come with a cable gland. What size do I need? I think it's 25mm but just wanted to check
I did not realize the junction box did not come with a cable gland. What size do I need? I think it's 25mm but just wanted to check
Yes, M25. But on the installer training they just tell you to drill an 8mm hole in the blanking screw fitting. It works very well. The M25 cable glands are really a bit big for a CAT6 cable and the waterproof connector is inside the mounting bracket anyway so a cable gland isn’t really necessary.
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Sweet. Loads more bits have turned up today. 100m cable reel and one of the two pole mounts I ordered. I found a very small pole mount online from Ireland but they would not ship to the UK, I then found another on ebay but when I placed the order it got cancelled (turns out also based in Ireland). After much searching I found a UK seller and one from the US. Both seem to have been shipped though, typical. The UK one has arrived anyway.
It looks like I can now mount it inline with my fence on the other side of that black trunking (my AC pipes to my office). The supplied metal straps are too big to fit to the mount so I will buy some smaller ones from screwfix with a load of other bits I need. I should have plenty of bits and bobs left over for when I come to do the next camera install
It looks like I can now mount it inline with my fence on the other side of that black trunking (my AC pipes to my office). The supplied metal straps are too big to fit to the mount so I will buy some smaller ones from screwfix with a load of other bits I need. I should have plenty of bits and bobs left over for when I come to do the next camera install
Yup, I had a play with it yesterday and looked at all the settings etc. I scared the wife a few times with the alarm going off in the house whilst I was testing the 'human' setting! I love the quick disable on the phone app.
I've now terminated the recently delivered external cat6 cable in to the camera using the 8mm method in the blanking screw as you suggested, worked a treat - thanks! I have tested the cable with the camera connected and all seems to be working ok.
I have literally just put my order in for a few bits from screwfix, I mainly just need suitably sized stainless worm drive clamps so I can attached it securely to the wall bracket. Hopefully my brother can foot the ladder for me tomorrow so I can get it installed
Once I have the bracket and camera fixed to it, I can then make my final decision of where I will put the cable entry. As in, if I go with 1x 22mm hole (for 4 cables total), or 1x 8mm (1 cable for current camera) and 1x 22mm (for future 3 cables I plan to install). I may even go all out and remove my gutter down pipe and drill the 22mm behind that, so it is totally hidden once I replace the downpipe.
I've now terminated the recently delivered external cat6 cable in to the camera using the 8mm method in the blanking screw as you suggested, worked a treat - thanks! I have tested the cable with the camera connected and all seems to be working ok.
I have literally just put my order in for a few bits from screwfix, I mainly just need suitably sized stainless worm drive clamps so I can attached it securely to the wall bracket. Hopefully my brother can foot the ladder for me tomorrow so I can get it installed
Once I have the bracket and camera fixed to it, I can then make my final decision of where I will put the cable entry. As in, if I go with 1x 22mm hole (for 4 cables total), or 1x 8mm (1 cable for current camera) and 1x 22mm (for future 3 cables I plan to install). I may even go all out and remove my gutter down pipe and drill the 22mm behind that, so it is totally hidden once I replace the downpipe.
Oh ok, I have now found the IVS settings. I will set that up when I can. I have no means to record anything atm. I will probably buy a NAS next month, maybe just the DS220+ to keep costs down. I think I will no doubt end up with a dedicated NVR so no point going OTT with the NAS.
My brother was not able to help today so I thought I would have a go on my own. I managed to wedge the ladder in between some slabs on my patio. Used some bosch multi construction drill bits, went through the mortar / some brick very easilly (without hammer) considering I was at the top of my reach, I am well impressed with this drill bits!
Cable temp through the window to set up the angle. I need to think about what I want to do with regards to cable entry. I think for this, it would look much better if I put a hole nearest the AC trunking (on the right side of it) in the motar, in line with the top bracket bolt. That will keep all exposed cable very short and neat. There will probably be a wood noggin in the way if I go any higher.
I am actually really pleased with how much view it gives. I did not expect it to see the end of the brick wall on the top right. The main thing, it covers all windows and doors at the back of the house, and access from the side of the house.
All done for today with the rear camera install. It took me longer to pull the cable through from outside, it kept finding it's way in to a void between the brick and the timber frame. Mother trucker...
I will probably just use some clear silicon to seal the hole but I gave my last tube to my dad
I put quite an upward angle on the hole so I am not worried about any water ingress.
Looks very lonely in there by itself. Although the entry point comes in from above the back box, I thought best to route all cables from underneath to save strain on the data point.
I will probably just use some clear silicon to seal the hole but I gave my last tube to my dad
I put quite an upward angle on the hole so I am not worried about any water ingress.Looks very lonely in there by itself. Although the entry point comes in from above the back box, I thought best to route all cables from underneath to save strain on the data point.
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I know you're taking about getting a Synology NAS, but here's an alternative for you to consider - build a spare PC and put Unraid on it, then run Shinobi inside a Docker container. I have three Amcrest cameras (one internal, two external) running this way. No extra licences to buy for extra cameras!
I did think about building my own but it will take up a lot more space. I might still consider it though so thanks for the suggestion!
I do in fact have a spare old PC that I haven't used for a few years. Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8GHz, 8GB DDR3, Asus P5Q-EM, corsair HX520, fractal design arc mini). @TangoEchoAlpha Would it be worth using or is it too ancient?
I do in fact have a spare old PC that I haven't used for a few years. Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8GHz, 8GB DDR3, Asus P5Q-EM, corsair HX520, fractal design arc mini). @TangoEchoAlpha Would it be worth using or is it too ancient?
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Pass. What I can tell you is that my home built NAS is a cheap Ryzen system - 16 GB of memory, a Ryzen 2400G and on a MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon. It's in a cheap, generic 4U server rack box bought from a competitor. The only time I notice any real slow down is when the system goes into a weekly parity check.
You can download Unraid and try it for free for 30 days from https://unraid.net/pricing - I went for the Pro version as I've also got some external hard drives connected via USB and just couldn't be bothered with having to upgrade the licence if I added more drives. $50 for their basic version - up to 6 drives, for a lifetime subscription is a bit of a billy bargain IMHO.
@WJA96. I thought I had set the IVS settings correctly (with intrusion, drawing an area), I even selected 'object filter' 'effective object' = Human. However, I have just noticed that my alarm is going off whilst my boiler is running and causing small clouds of white smoke. I've just disabled my intrusion rule and enabled the smart motion detection again and its stopped causing that to go off.
Any advice?
P.S I noticed that before when I was testing the intrusion alarm, it would not always set the alarm off even though I was standing and moving inside the area that I drew. Is that normal? Perhaps the camera can't pick me up right at the edges of the drawn area?
Any advice?
P.S I noticed that before when I was testing the intrusion alarm, it would not always set the alarm off even though I was standing and moving inside the area that I drew. Is that normal? Perhaps the camera can't pick me up right at the edges of the drawn area?
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@fobose - here's a screengrab of the Unraid dashboard, shows the system I have and the current demand on it. The main thing I would say is that Unraid benefits massively from some sort of SSD as a cache drive, where files get written to and then moved onto the main array periodically. I've got a 500GB M2 SSD and the files get moved once every night.
Thanks for that @TangoEchoAlpha. I think my old computer wont be up to the job so a new system will be needed. I will think about it, might be fun to do as I enjoy building system. Maybe a bit of learning curve to get everything setup though.
First, you need to set IVS to on. Without that, it won’t work. That’s in the Smart Plan menu and it’s a big square box icon. Make sure you save the screen before you exit.
Then, in the IVS menu add an IVS rule and pick Intrusion from the drop-down box. Select ‘cross’ and ‘appear’, ‘specific’ and ‘human’.
The add the area. Left click to start the area and left click each marked point. Right click once the box is closed. If you’ve done it right the box should remain on the screen.
Then save it.
And that should work. The white water vapour sounds more like a motion detection alert. Make sure it’s turned off on the camera and the notifications are switched off for Motion detection and SMD+ in the app. In the app you need to add notifications for AI->Intrusion.
If you want a bit of help I’m only in Thetford so it’s easy enough to pop down for 20 minutes.
Technically all you need in terms of storage is a micro-SD card. I like the Synology Surveillance Station system, and Dahua obviously make their own NVR units. Get an NVR-xxxx-I unit for intelligence or a -X unit for quite a bit more intelligence. If you’re building your own then Blue Iris is the usual recommendation but Dahua supply DSS for free and it’s pretty good.
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That looks like a 2.8mm - if you can see more than you were expecting then try enabling the distortion correction (Picture menu, LDC Enabled, Save) and it will get rid of the distortion at the expense of a little bit of image.
That's very kind of you to offer your help! Hopefully we can get it setup without causing you a trip but I may take you up on that!
Just to confirm, in the 'Smart Motion Detection' menu, that option needs to be unticked?
I have now set the 'smart plan' button to on (it's gone orange - I did not have that on before).
Here are the settings in the IVS rule menu. I've unchecked the 'audio linkage' as I dont want the alarm going nuts until everything is setup!
I have a few more questions about the period 'Setting'. I don't want the alarm going off when I am at home and in the garden.
There are two period 'Setting' boxes under the IVS menu, I've set both to the same for now. What is the difference, should they both be set the same?
Let's just say I want the alarm to only go off between 8pm - 6am, is this how it should be setup in both period 'Setting'?
Re your last post (LDC), I lose quite a bit of view when that is enabled. I will see how things go before enabling it, as long as it doesn't interfere with the detection I will leave it off to give a wider view for now.
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