Poll: National service not a bad thing?
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Caporegime
So have we evolved this into unemployment scheme now?
Minimum wage to do a menial job? Benefit costs are going to skyrocket. Say hello to tax increases.
Say goodbye to lots of minimum wage real jobs too. Cleaning, security, other relatively unskilled, or lower training period, jobs will have their staff be replaced by jobscheme people. Remember that Asda bs a few years back?
Why should the government even interfer with the job market, if these jobs were needed they would already exist and employ.
Minimum wage to do a menial job? Benefit costs are going to skyrocket. Say hello to tax increases.
Say goodbye to lots of minimum wage real jobs too. Cleaning, security, other relatively unskilled, or lower training period, jobs will have their staff be replaced by jobscheme people. Remember that Asda bs a few years back?
Why should the government even interfer with the job market, if these jobs were needed they would already exist and employ.
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Soldato
So we're broadening this out to be more than just military service. I have to say that I would be very ****ed if on leaving university or school, I was told that I had to spend a year working for free. I was (and always have been) ambitious and driven. Being forced to work below my skill grade on graduation would be both discouraging and infuriating to me as well as a waste for society as a whole. Asking me to work AT my skill grade on graduation without proper compensation would be no less infuriating and discouraging to me and unfair to people competing for the same sort of work as paid employees.
All forms of mandated work - national service, prison labour, slaves, distort the free labour market to the detriment of working people. I'm reminded of Ancient Rome (not literally, thankyouverymuch) where the working people got increasingly angry because slaves were being given all the manual labour jobs because they were cheaper.
A lot of the ideas in this thread sound appealing in abstract, but remember that this scheme would be run by the British government and heavily prone to corruption and misuse. National Service can easily be turned into an instrument for authoritarian governments. Which is probably why a lot of older people tend to get uneasy about it.
All forms of mandated work - national service, prison labour, slaves, distort the free labour market to the detriment of working people. I'm reminded of Ancient Rome (not literally, thankyouverymuch) where the working people got increasingly angry because slaves were being given all the manual labour jobs because they were cheaper.
A lot of the ideas in this thread sound appealing in abstract, but remember that this scheme would be run by the British government and heavily prone to corruption and misuse. National Service can easily be turned into an instrument for authoritarian governments. Which is probably why a lot of older people tend to get uneasy about it.
Firstly, the youth today are giving more charity than any other previous generation:
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltech...nials-are-reshaping-charity-and-online-giving
They are more informed, more educated than any other generation.
https://ourworldindata.org/global-rise-of-education
Participation in criminal activity is dropping. Teen pregnancy is plummeting.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/399379/youth-justice-annual-stats-13-14.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db259.htm
All of this in the context of being poorer than the previous generation and less likely to afford property.
You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual when tackling complex issues.
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Not in this country.
Interesting, just goes to show despite the whinging of some here about the "older generation" the "youth of today" have had a pretty good start in life paid for them by the rest of us.
Interesting, just goes to show despite the whinging of some here about the "older generation" the "youth of today" have had a pretty good start in life paid for them by the rest of us.
No, they pay more in taxes than they take out in benefits. The NHS, in example, is "carried" by the youth with their constant flow of taxes and little/no expenditures.
Caporegime
Yes because old people are born 65. They don't pay their entire lives.
When they were young, they paid for the people who were 65 back then. There were less old people then (died faster) and they had much lower medical costs.
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There were less kids too at school sucking money up
Less police
Less roads
Less benefit systems pre 1940
Less police
Less roads
Less benefit systems pre 1940
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Soldato
CBA to read the whole thread.
No, we don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry turning up and having to baby sit them. They'd be a useless burden on our already stretched force. Further, we don't want problem children turning up thinking they're suddenly rambo.
Sure, I agree that the idea that it could assist society and put people on the straight and narrow, but that isn't the job of the armed forces, it isn't what it used to be. We're a streamlined, professional force. So in answer to the poll... Yes it would help, but no, it can't happen.
I for one don't want to turn up to work and have to baby sit a bunch of drips. Sorry.
No, we don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry turning up and having to baby sit them. They'd be a useless burden on our already stretched force. Further, we don't want problem children turning up thinking they're suddenly rambo.
Sure, I agree that the idea that it could assist society and put people on the straight and narrow, but that isn't the job of the armed forces, it isn't what it used to be. We're a streamlined, professional force. So in answer to the poll... Yes it would help, but no, it can't happen.
I for one don't want to turn up to work and have to baby sit a bunch of drips. Sorry.
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Precisely what I was talking about earlier. Great post.
So you think it is a good thing for young people but didn't do so yourself - why?
Now you've got the opinion that it is a good thing and you've missed out on it, are you going to volunteer? You don't need a law forcing others to do so in order for you to participate.
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