Natural/in built motivation?

Still struggling, it's like I'm paralyzed by the amount of stuff to do so I just don't start or do any of it, I think of the list of crap I've got to sort out and just can't face any of it.

I've not been out of the door since I got home from work on Friday and I've tons of stuff I could have been doing.

I feel like I could do with going to live on the top of a mountain for 6 months.

Why don't you?

Wild camping/hiking is a cheap hobby to get into and a good way to clear the head. There's loads of groups on meet up and it's easy to go do yourself. If you live anywhere near me, I'm happy to join you too - it's definitely helped me.
 
And this is a large part of that I mean by "you make your own luck" :)
There are different types of luck, as one might put it. As Adam, pointed out earlier you could just pick up a winning ticket and that would be luck.

But the one that is most relevant to the discussion is the luck that comes about when opportunity meets hardwork/prepardness.

Different people have different opportunities, but how many of them have managed to capatilise on the opportunities they are given?
 
There are different types of luck, as one might put it. As Adam, pointed out earlier you could just pick up a winning ticket and that would be luck.

But the one that is most relevant to the discussion is the luck that comes about when opportunity meets hardwork/prepardness.

Different people have different opportunities, but how many of them have managed to capatilise on the opportunities they are given?

But there aren't endless opportunities, hence my points in this thread.

People seem to think that there will always be an equal amount of opportunities to match everyone's hard work, talent and perseverance. That is objectively not the case, or the entire global economy as we know it would not function.

There are only a limited number of "opportunities", and who manages to get them/capitalise on them is mostly down to luck.

Yes, the person that sits and does nothing will likely get nothing (unless you were born into wealth/connections (ie nepotism etc)), but so will most of the people who work just as hard as those who achieve/get whatever they are after.
 
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But there aren't endless opportunities, hence my points in this thread.

People seem to think that there will always be an equal amount of opportunities to match everyone's hard work, talent and perseverance. That is objectively not the case, or the entire global economy as we know it would not function.

There are only a limited number of "opportunities", and who manages to get them/capitalise on them is mostly down to luck.

Yes, the person that sits and does nothing will likely get nothing (unless you were born into wealth/connections (ie nepotism etc)), but so will most of the people who work just as hard as those who achieve/get whatever they are after.
If we truly had a world where everyone fully applied themselves and gave it their full effort in everything they did, our world would look and function very differently and I'm not talking about it being a Utopia. Our economy would most likely be very different (Communism might actually work, but lets not get into that rabbit hole). You don't know what such a world would look like and is it merely speculation what would happen in such a world. We do not live in such a world.

In our world, people can be lazy, some get tired and fall off the bandwagon and others just can't be bothered and others have different priorities. In our world, being motivated and applying yourself does improve your prospects in the vast majority of fields both professionally and as a hobbyist. Maybe if you wanted to narrow the scope of what you are saying to the acting, or music industry or maybe the sports industry where it is literally a handful of people who make it big then yes, applying yourself and working hard does not gurantee anything.

But for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of situations, be motivated, apply yourself, will gurantee an increased level of success, from where they started/achieving their goal.

Now you can nitpick and find goals where this doesn't apply, for example wanting to score the winning goal in World cup at the age 45 after not doing any sort of physical exercise in 20+years, but that is only relevant when addressing peoples specific goals.
 
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But for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of situations, be motivated, apply yourself, will gurantee an increased level of success, from where they started/achieving their goal.

But this isn't true.
 
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If we truly had a world where everyone fully applied themselves and gave it their full effort in everything they did, our world would look and function very differently and I'm not talking about it being a Utopia. Our economy would most likely be very different (Communism might actually work, but lets not get into that rabbit hole). You don't know what such a world would look like and is it merely speculation what would happen in such a world. We do not live in such a world.

In our world, people can be lazy, some get tired and fall off the bandwagon and others just can't be bothered and others have different priorities. In our world, being motivated and applying yourself does improve your prospects in the vast majority of fields both professionally and as a hobbyist. Maybe if you wanted to narrow the scope of what you are saying to the acting, or music industry or maybe the sports industry where it is literally a handful of people who make it big then yes, applying yourself and working hard does not gurantee anything.

But for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of situations, be motivated, apply yourself, will gurantee an increased level of success, from where they started/achieving their goal.

Now you can nitpick and find goals where this doesn't apply, for example wanting to score the winning goal in World cup at the age 45 after not doing any sort of physical exercise in 20+years, but that is only relevant when addressing peoples specific goals.

Exactly. If you try your hardest you are bound to (in time) achieve more over the things you try at than you would otherwise.

You might fail at some or most. But you will end up in a "better" situation than you were. (if you define better as improving in the areas you are trying to).


As most people don't try thier hardest, and many don't try very hard at all, it means you will improve your situation.


This doesn't discount that some people are luckier (it's easier to try setting up a new bu3if you have a shed load of inheritance behind you) but still, you will do better than those who do not try at all.
 
If we truly had a world where everyone fully applied themselves and gave it their full effort in everything they did, our world would look and function very differently and I'm not talking about it being a Utopia. Our economy would most likely be very different (Communism might actually work, but lets not get into that rabbit hole). You don't know what such a world would look like and is it merely speculation what would happen in such a world. We do not live in such a world.

In our world, people can be lazy, some get tired and fall off the bandwagon and others just can't be bothered and others have different priorities. In our world, being motivated and applying yourself does improve your prospects in the vast majority of fields both professionally and as a hobbyist. Maybe if you wanted to narrow the scope of what you are saying to the acting, or music industry or maybe the sports industry where it is literally a handful of people who make it big then yes, applying yourself and working hard does not gurantee anything.

But for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of situations, be motivated, apply yourself, will gurantee an increased level of success, from where they started/achieving their goal.

Now you can nitpick and find goals where this doesn't apply, for example wanting to score the winning goal in World cup at the age 45 after not doing any sort of physical exercise in 20+years, but that is only relevant when addressing peoples specific goals.

I can give you a major example of this kind of work ethic and having managed 500+ foreigners of many nationalities over my years. English people are by far some of the laziest and least hard working. (Not everyone but the vast majority) I have always been motivated no matter what I am doing and will do the best I can do which can lead to frustration when I see others not pulling their weight.

Case in point I am a lorry driver by trade now. Some regional distribution centres are self tip. What that means is I reverse my unit onto a bay and unload the contents myself. I can get to said distribution centre, park up my unit, go into the goods in office, be given a bay number, drive and reverse onto bay, tip my chilled contents, move and reverse onto another bay, tip my ambient contents, drive out, close doors and go park up outside the goods in. This will normally take me 50-60 minutes tops.

I can then go to another distribution centre for a rival company park up on the bay and end up 4+ hours in the place because the people unloading just cannot be bothered. I have instances where I have been left on a red light simply because they couldn't be bothered to spend 5 minutes and sign my paperwork but instead went for break. Of course I just sit on my butt playing on my Nintendo Switch but id much rather be on the road. Some days my working time directive can be less than 8 hours but I have spent 7 hours on break! That is our countries productivity in a nutshell.

I agree that some people do lack the motivation but that is up to the managers to motivate them to do a decent job and when you live in a country which lacks motivation on a whole. Poor management is a key issue as well.
 
But this isn't true.

You still don't get it. You don't FIND luck, you CREATE IT..


As with everything I post here lately though I expect to get backklash in that "Ahh I haven't got time to watch that" because of everyone having the attentions span of a goldfish these days (this is one of the reasons you need to leave the internet for while and reset)
 
so in a 55 min episode talking about luck and why it is what it is, you replied in 3 minutes... I rest my case..
 
so in a 55 min episode talking about luck and why it is what it is, you replied in 3 minutes... I rest my case..

Dr whatsit saying a thingy on thingamij youtube channel isn't going to change objective reality.

There are a myriad of people saying a myriad of different things, multiple times, on multiple different formats on the internet.

You linking it here doesn't make it correct or worth watching. I've likely watched the same thing a dozen times before said by a different person.
 
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But there aren't endless opportunities, hence my points in this thread.

People seem to think that there will always be an equal amount of opportunities to match everyone's hard work, talent and perseverance. That is objectively not the case, or the entire global economy as we know it would not function.

There are only a limited number of "opportunities", and who manages to get them/capitalise on them is mostly down to luck.

Yes, the person that sits and does nothing will likely get nothing (unless you were born into wealth/connections (ie nepotism etc)), but so will most of the people who work just as hard as those who achieve/get whatever they are after.

This whole post just reads like an excuse to be lazy and not try. No one cares if you fail and no one cares if you succeed. You can try and maybe you'll succeed, or you can do nothing and you'll continue to remain the same. It's up to you.
 
This whole post just reads like an excuse to be lazy and not try. No one cares if you fail and no one cares if you succeed. You can try and maybe you'll succeed, or you can do nothing and you'll continue to remain the same. It's up to you.

I'm not excusing anything. I have said many times in my posts that to succeed you absolutely have to put in the work. I also agree with what you have just written there:

You can try and maybe you'll succeed, or you can do nothing and you'll continue to remain the same

However, this thread is about motivation, and the extremely high chance of failure due to the sheer amount of people/competition and the way the global economy and society works as a whole, is immensely demotivating.

I think if you can come to terms with that fact, and understand that the "you can be whoever you want to be and do whatever you want to do if you work hard enough" mantra is objectively a complete and utter lie, then mentally, you will likely be OK. However, the logical knowledge of the above can be very hard to overcome.
 
I'm not excusing anything. I have said many times in my posts that to succeed you absolutely have to put in the work. I also agree with what you have just written there:



However, this thread is about motivation, and the extremely high chance of failure due to the sheer amount of people/competition and the way the global economy and society works as a whole, is immensely demotivating.

I think if you can come to terms with that fact, and understand that the "you can be whoever you want to be and do whatever you want to do if you work hard enough" mantra is objectively a complete and utter lie, then mentally, you will likely be OK. However, the logical knowledge of the above can be very hard to overcome.

You're still fixating on motivation being competive with others.

It really isn't for many many people.

Think how many people are driven by setting a personal best. Or learning a new hobby.
That there is motivation.

Its actually easy to set a personal best. Or start a new hobby.
Only if you're very competitive will the motivation be to beat others. And even then you have to go a stage further to be motivated to be the best.


What motivates one person is very different to what motivates another.
 
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However, this thread is about motivation, and the extremely high chance of failure due to the sheer amount of people/competition and the way the global economy and society works as a whole, is immensely demotivating.

I think if you can come to terms with that fact, and understand that the "you can be whoever you want to be and do whatever you want to do if you work hard enough" mantra is objectively a complete and utter lie, then mentally, you will likely be OK. However, the logical knowledge of the above can be very hard to overcome.

There isn't an extremely high chance of failure because most people simply don't try, the one's who do try tend to succeed for that reason. This is loser talk.
 
What motivates one person is very different to what motivates another.

Precisely.

Which is why any advice in this thread is mostly worthless

We have no idea what would motivate the OP really. You have no idea what would motivate me either.

Some people live a happy life on minimum wage and watching/cataloguing birds or trains every day for the rest of their lives, or whatever. Whilst someone else will be one of the richest and most successful music artists or actors of their era and find life so unbearable that they will kill themselves.

We are all ******* in the wind.

:p
 
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