NEC LCD20WGX2 review *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***

Hmm... it appears lowering the contrast to 40 solved my X360 issue. Just to point out I only had the inteference issue with my 360 and not from my PC output.
 
ATI said:
@SpinyNorman

that helps a lot, have you had any problems with it all and was it quite reflecative at the party because of all the light sources?

It's the second I had, the first had a stuck pixel. This one is fine though. I wouldn't be too worried about the backlight bleed issue, the only time I've seen anything close to the screenshots here is on a completely black screen.

Bottom line is I'd buy one again at current prices / alternatives.
 
hello everyone

if you had to describe this tft in one word or sentence for a newbie to buy what would you say?


thanks
 
Anybody here have a laptop with integrated graphics?

I have a Toshiba M70-122 with 915GM 4x AGP shared memory integrated graphics and I'm thinking of getting the NEC as an external monitor.

My lappy only has a VGA port and before I throw away my money I'd to know if the integrated graphics card is going to be decent enough for the NEC for browsing, office tasks, and for watching a movie every now and then.
 
I recieved my monitor today. All I can say is wow. This monitor is utterly amazing.

I am coming from a Hyundai Q17, a 16ms 17" Monitor, 3 years old.

This monitor is like going from black and white to colour.

The contrast ratio is superb - black is actually black, like on a CRT.

Gaming is sublime - no ghosting, no anything, just perfect - bright vivid colours etc.

Buy one now!
 
Hi lads,

As we all know our NEC's have USB on the left of the panel, how do you get your pc to see them?

Trying to get a file on my 1gb usb stick via the screen but its not picking it up?

any advice?

You have uplinked the "square" (not sure of its correct name) usb port to the pc??? Its around the back near the other 2 usb ports...


Im lovin my monitor, just gutted it dont support HDMI/HDCP after getting the local hifi shop to chuck in a £30 hdmi>dvi adapter with a recent purchase!!!
 
thanks

keep em coming guys, i,m 90% tempted to get it one little thing reflecation?

any quick feedback on this specialy from the fussy guys?
 
ATI said:
thanks

keep em coming guys, i,m 90% tempted to get it one little thing reflecation?

any quick feedback on this specialy from the fussy guys?

I'm well fussy I am. :)

ditched my acer 1916w for this screen and its almost faultless if everyway. I personally love the glossy screen as it seems to enhance the contrast. Ok, being a fussy git one thing I will say is whites could be a little whiter.

Thats literally the only slight niggle for me and even then its not that bad.
 
Mine arrived today :)

Absolutely pleased with it. No backlight bleed, very uniform screen, no dead/stuck pixels that I can see. Suberb picture quality. The glossy screen is no issue and infact enhances the depth of pictures. My old CRT had a very glossy/reflective screen and my eyes have got used to it so this is no problem at all.

I'd already tried this monitor out that a cousin has but having one sitting here at my own desk is really nice. Worth every penny imo.

Now, all we need is for NEC to do a 24" version and it'll be perfect....I'll wait a couple of years for that though, lol
 
ATI said:
keep em coming guys, i,m 90% tempted to get it one little thing reflecation?

any quick feedback on this specialy from the fussy guys?
Reflections ?

If yes, here is the 20WGX2 glossy factor guide ... I compiled my thoughts and few opinions from other people :)

OptiClear is simply bonus for me. It's improving the colour vibrancy, image focus, purity and overall quality. It's maybe not measurable (and this is normal), but it's there and it's pleasant. Apart from this, something that was rarely mentioned in the reviews (if at all) is that with the OptiClear you really just see the image and not LCD surface (something that was always distracting for me) and it will nicely remove all possible screendoor effects, grainy and crystallised surface of the usual LCD panel coatings. I've always missed the overall smoothness of the CRT screens as it's much more easier & pleasant to the eye. When you look at the "OptiClear picture", all you see is the image and no surface. Image is just floating there, with a great sense that panel is just the window to the another world outside. It's more immersive for gaming (even for video watching) and it's really introducing that extra vibrance to the spectrum. Sometimes, is really like there is no barrier between you and the liquid crystal.

One interesting point about the NEC brigthness. Yes, 20WGX2 is very bright ... but I would say that brightness is not unpleasant, even when monitor is tuned at very high (let's say 60% - 70%) brightness. OptiClear is probably contributing factor for this, as any other panel coating (or the panel itself) will make such brightness simply overwhelming, unpleasant and unbearable. With NEC, it's going very well ... especially in pair with gaming and video.

Regarding reflections, I would say that any nearby window, with the "controllable" ambient light (blinds or curtains) shouldn't be a problem. Some users also reported that side window was not problem for them. Also, you may have more reflections with the opposite window directly facing the monitor during the very bright and sunny day ... but again if it's controllable you shouldn't have much problems. Also, if you have the desk lamp, just behind the monitor you shouldn't have problems also.I think that OptiClear is probably around 20% - 25% more reflective than traditional "glass" coating of the CRT monitors and TV screens. It's hard to tell. In may example, I have a window just opposite the screen and can't say that it was distracting for me to the annoying extent. Even during the very bright and sunny day - when window blinds were properly adjusted - I could finish my work without major issues. Also, after reading many responses from the users around, honestly I can't remember that someone seriously complained about the reflections. In that sense, we may possibly conclude that for the majority of users out there it's pretty much OK. Over bright room or intensive ambient light can be problematic for any screen, including the ones with AR (anti reflective) coating - you may have big and bright white spots. Picture is loosing the fine details, deep black, contrast ... and it can be quite distractive too. A bit like, watching the movie in cinema with the lights on.

Also, when the screen is off it's much more reflective. When you power on the screen, panel illumination is also dimming the reflections. All reviews around are showing the powered off screen, and that is definitely misleading to some extent.

So, you see ... I tried to elaborate this issue slightly more than what you may find in the reviews around about the famous glossy factor. Such epidemic glossy factor reservation in the reviews around is disturbing, to say at least. They are either ignorant or simply involving their personal preference. It's definitely not the problem for the majority of users out there and to kill the monitor review score just because of the coating ... is just nuts, as there are many positive things too. It's simply exaggerated and not elaborated properly. It looks like they never used a CRT monitor in their life as if glossy/reflection factor is like some new phenomeon. How could they live with the CRT at all (in the past) ? so that they are ignorant for anything else, apart from the AR (anti reflective coating). Pretty much strange.

Personally, I don't like the AR coating. It's hazy, grainy, crystallized surface and screen door effect is much more pronounced. Even if you have the intensive light source behind the AR coating, you will have one big messy white spot because of the way how the light is "reflected". On the other hand, OptiClear for example is actually absorbing the portion of light hitting the screen and at the same time allowing the screen image to be displayed without distortion.

Of course, everything I stated here is my personal view and you may find it usefull or not ... it's always your choice :) Actually, this already long post, may be the definitive 20WGX2 glossy factor guide ... if it's approved by other users of this screen ;)

Also, more info about OptiClear from NEC
 
hey igors

i read your review and feedback in other discussion forums and i already know your take on this display.

anyway really appreciate the feedback above and another question are you sure your not on the nec pay roll? :) come on you could let the cat out now.

anyway i ordered one let see what beauty it is when it gets here?, will let you know how it turns out and my feedback?

another quuestion for optimal settings would you say:

the Advanced DV ON,
50% contrast and
brightness in the range of 40% - 60%

and when i get it look out for dead pixels, noise on standby and operation, bleeding which i have read here allow at least a week and anything else you could or anyone could let me know on what faults to look out and test for?

thanks again
 
I leave Advanced DV Off for these reasons. (via DVI cable)

It automatically dims brightness, on the fly, genrally making things a bit dimmer. which in gaming, makes it harder to see. and in windows you can see your brightness go up and down as you say bring up a new window of brighter content. (not good) So I just leave it off :)

It has to be said though, Pixel by pixel this is the fastest, sharpest, and most uniform display I've seen, Its just a shame that my colour adjustments are digital interpolations rather than analogue adustments to the backlight, which in tern has cut down slightly on my overall palette size, perhaps 1-2% loss. :rolleyes:

Of Course you get it all back when in "native" Colour mode, but to me the whites @ native are too warm to take seriously.

So my set up is simple

Adv DV off

Brightness at 40% Windows and 90% for gaming.

Contrast at 50% because thats where I get the most natural colour reproduction.

And for my colour I use preset 1 @ 9300k/9200k whites
with a push in blue and a pull on the red and green to balance the warmth. And it balances quite nicely :)

larzy settings

Red 83.5%
Green 85.4%
Blue 100%
Adv DV OFF
Brightness 40%-90%
Contrast 50%
 
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