Need expert advice on building a rig better than the Alienware area 51 threadripper edition.
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The short answer is because they know some people just look at the most expensive item and buy that. Doesn't mean it's actually worth £50 - apparently has more gold in connectors than normal, etc. But it's a sort of "Let's pump this full of features and spend £XXX on each so we can price it really high" board.
but which one cools the most, best OC the most, this is the info im looking for in placing them apart in 1st 2nd 3rd places.
Soldato
None of them at present, as they are all overpriced.
Soldato
Thread ripper for gaming.... if you need to turn off half the cores as the article suggests then I fail to see the point in buying one if gaming is all one will do with the chip.
With all things being equal, water will help to maintain a more consistent boost clock speed. The other factor is Silicon lottery, In normal use if your manually overclocking with a solid cooler to keep temps low, most 1080Ti's land in a similar region 2.0 GHz - 2.1 GHz with some cards either side. In actual day to day use, outside of synthetics our not going to see a massive difference between a few fps here or there. There is variation between the exact same models thanks to silicon lottrry, so outside of the box specs, your not guaranteed any sort of manual overclock result.
Outside of the Titan V, the Titan Xp under water will be king right now.
Anyone who has legitimate information on next Gen can't say. Everything you see is just guessing. Now If I had to guess, based on prior releases, I fully expect the xx80 of next gen, whenever it lands to out perform the 1080Ti / Titan Xp with the xx70 coming in at around that sort of performance, but as I say, all just guess work based on prior gens.
If by overcloking you mean EXTREME overclocking then you want the EVGA 1080TI king ping nothing even comes close to that thing. But its a waste of money for most as its true potential is best served in the hands of those with extreeme cooling solutions.
Frankly this late int he game its might be worth just waiting for the new nvidia cards to be released soon.
Frankly this late int he game its might be worth just waiting for the new nvidia cards to be released soon.
I've never really understood the logic of 'preping for future' when building a PC. The whole point of a PC is the upgradability. Sure, it's simple just to buy the fasted components today but that's awful value for money. Much better to buy one or two steps back from the cutting edge and hold on to the leftover grand, then, in six or twelve months time spend it on upgrading bits (to faster stuff than is available today).
This will give you a better system in the future, than the same budget would buy you today. The best way to future proof your PC is the plan/budget to upgrade it - not buy the top spec today.
Thanks guys for the input, really helps.
Motherboards
ASRock
Z370 Taichi (£179.99)
or
MSI
Z370 Godlike Gaming (£504.50)
(Might be a new mobo coming out in 2 weeks.)
GPU
1080ti place holder until higher series comes out
Hard drive
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB or (Samsung 960 Pro 1TB £497.98)
Monitor
Acer Predator X27 or Asus Rog Swift PG27UQ
Memory
Corsair CMK32GX4M2A2400C16 Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 2400MHz XMP 2.0 High Performance Desktop Memory Kit - Black (£314.98)
Cooler
be quiet! Dark Rock TF CPU Cooler - 135/135mm (£74.99)
Power supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 80+ PLATINUM, 1000W ECO Mode Fully Modular NVIDIA SLI and Crossfire Ready Power Supply 220-P2-1000-X3 (£176.48)
Keyboard
Mouse
Desktop case
Processor
Intel Core i7-8700K (£316.99)
I am open for discusion and opinions on rig, better parts and whats coming up in the future you think I should wait for.
Motherboards
ASRock
Z370 Taichi (£179.99)
or
MSI
Z370 Godlike Gaming (£504.50)
(Might be a new mobo coming out in 2 weeks.)
GPU
1080ti place holder until higher series comes out
Hard drive
Samsung 960 Evo 1TB or (Samsung 960 Pro 1TB £497.98)
Monitor
Acer Predator X27 or Asus Rog Swift PG27UQ
Memory
Corsair CMK32GX4M2A2400C16 Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 2400MHz XMP 2.0 High Performance Desktop Memory Kit - Black (£314.98)
Cooler
be quiet! Dark Rock TF CPU Cooler - 135/135mm (£74.99)
Power supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 80+ PLATINUM, 1000W ECO Mode Fully Modular NVIDIA SLI and Crossfire Ready Power Supply 220-P2-1000-X3 (£176.48)
Keyboard
Mouse
Desktop case
Processor
Intel Core i7-8700K (£316.99)
I am open for discusion and opinions on rig, better parts and whats coming up in the future you think I should wait for.
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It's one of the best for it's designs, you do have giants like the Dark Rock Pro 3 and Noctua D15 - the one above allows for some of the tallest ram to fit in , on all 4 dimm slots at one- or if your using x299/399 8 dimm slots !
and also cooled down the VRM better then tower design or AIO/CLC units
Soldato
There's too much to cover properly in one post on a forum, is the truth of it.
To get an answer that would help you at this point, you'd need to specify what platform/CPU.
To get an answer that would help you at this point, you'd need to specify what platform/CPU.
Soldato
I will be likely for Zen2 (the 7nm one to avoid confusion) because I am hoping that engines update to be able to utilise more cores/threads accordingly by time that releases. However since it performs perfectly well right now and if you find a deal on it or second hand they are worth the value relative anyways as they are hardly holding up the GPU or issues otherwise. Then it is a gamble on the hope more games have ability to use more cores later which based on what I have read, seen and discussed I believe will go that way.
It is up to the individual to gamble on that future development though. It also means that if it is getting that performance at half the chip running then it is possible its performance will only increase later on.
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Just wait for now even if new cards do not have much to offer older models can be picked up for less but not much less with the way things are with GPU`s at this point in time, keep a look out for special offers from March to May on old stock.
Yes, Intel moved to the Mesh architecture vs Ring bus, they also mixed up the cache layout which does translate to an impact, some titles more severely.
Now with that said, if you properly tune the i9's I find it rarely holds back gaming performance when comparing my 7980XE rig to my 8700k Rig (with my setup's), both with some GTX 1080Ti's in each. Overclock the Mesh on the 7980XE to around 30-31 to help there, but also with i9's you can overclock each core individually, so cherry pick your best core's and overclock them say 200 MHz higher and boost 3.0 will target them. With this, I rarely find my 7980XE to be much of an issue in games with usually it being the GPU's. Now with that said, 8700k is still better overall with its architecture, cheaper, lower power consumption (though still runs hot until you delid) and out the box performance is pretty much there.
TLDR in actual use, properly tuned find the i9s do just fine for most the part and usually my limitation is the GPU's usually or my monitor refresh rate of 100hz. I expect with the very high refreshrate panels around 165hz + it may show a gap open up between the 8700k's and i9's though as the limitation may start being pushed back to them. So pure gaming 8700ks the way to go, but find i9's still perfectly fine for gaming, abit higher power consumption.
Soldato
I've not found a title yet where I need to do this - some benchmarks benefit from it though - though this seems to be reducing as OS's and software gets patch for HCC cpus
Some really old apps freak out when they see that many cores - and some badly written apps cannot deal with NUMA systems well or memory latencies well (E.G on TR you may need to access memory in another CCX complex - this is a longer journey that to the local complex as it has to traverse the infinity fabric).
I7 8700k
I really don't want old cards. I wont settle for anything lower than 1080TI to be honest.