Never to early to start gaming...

linktoinsanity · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:03

holymonk said:
Not sure what you're yawning about... Its fairly clear that you're extremely naive.

No. It's his child at the end of the day, who he is allowing to play a video game.

I have noticed a lot of parents who tell their children it is unacceptable to play games where you shoot each other, and think it's perfectly ok to sit down in front of Eastenders with the same child and watch a group of grown adults shouting at and threatening each other.

Diagro · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:14

linktoinsanity said:
No. It's his child at the end of the day, who he is allowing to play a video game.

I have noticed a lot of parents who tell their children it is unacceptable to play games where you shoot each other, and think it's perfectly ok to sit down in front of Eastenders with the same child and watch a group of grown adults shouting at and threatening each other.

Shooting is a form of violence which is final. if you shoot someone you have committed a MASSIVE offence and or killed the person.

Shouting at someone on TV is shouting. You cannot compare them.

Atlas23 · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:27

Diagro said:
Shooting is a form of violence which is final. if you shoot someone you have committed a MASSIVE offence and or killed the person.

Shouting at someone on TV is shouting. You cannot compare them.

And now you are comparing someone shooting a person in real life, with someone playing Battlefield 2?

GD is on form today.

oulton · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:33

Awww!

Our 9 month old loves it when I play binding of Isaac with him on my knee he keeps whacking my xbox controller like a nutter

Diagro · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:39

Blazin23 said:
And now you are comparing someone shooting a person in real life, with someone playing Battlefield 2?

GD is on form today.

the child in question is 2! Hows he know the difference?

Rainagul · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:40

arknor said:
he's going to end up a lazy gamer slob who prefers sitting indoors gaming then going outside if you don't limit his hours to a few each day.
by time he's an adult he will be a a loner with social issues

He will fit in great here then.

bitslice said:
Gaming kills imaginative play.

strongly disagree

OP just keep the exposure to gaming moderate and varied.

snitcher · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:50

in no time you will have to buy him a ps4.

Atlas23 · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:56

Diagro said:
the child in question is 2! Hows he know the difference?

Yes the child is 2. How does he know he is 'shooting' people? Does he think he is just moving a mouse and pressing buttons on a keyboard to make the screen move around, or does he realise his 'mission' is to kill other soldiers by shooting them?

linktoinsanity · 15 Jan 2014 at 14:58

Diagro said:
Shooting is a form of violence which is final. if you shoot someone you have committed a MASSIVE offence and or killed the person.

Shouting at someone on TV is shouting. You cannot compare them.

I totally can and have compared them. Plus you've missed the fights and threatening manner off the Eastenders part that I posted in the same post that you've quoted. It's just as bad in that it affects behaviour.

And if the child can't see the differences in computer games to real life then there is something else wrong with the parenting.

Haggisman · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:01

Rainagul said:
"Gaming kills imaginative play"*
strongly disagree.

Indeed - just look at Minecraft for an amazing example of how it actually encourages it.

Unless you want to argue that Lego also kills imaginative play?

*stupid lack of nested quotes >_<

Diagro · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:02

linktoinsanity said:
I totally can and have compared them. Plus you've missed the fights and threatening manner off the Eastenders part that I posted in the same post that you've quoted. It's just as bad in that it affects behaviour.

And if the child can't see the differences in computer games to real life then there is something else wrong with the parenting.

Look, we could go about this all day, Simple fact of the matter is that kids of that age should not be playing these games as it can effect them later in life when they start at school.

That's a fact as my wife teaches reception and year 1 and see's it all the time. When asked where they know the moves or the words from they actually say " Mummy / daddy let me play his game where you shoot people for points "

Sooo..

linktoinsanity · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:06

Diagro said:
Look, we could go about this all day, Simple fact of the matter is that kids of that age should not be playing these games as it can effect them later in life when they start at school.

That's a fact as my wife teaches reception and year 1 and see's it all the time. When asked where they know the moves or the words from they actually say " Mummy / daddy let me play his game where you shoot people for points "

Sooo..

I've been playing computers games pretty much all my life, including shooting games and would never think about shooting somebody. Them saying that they shoot people for points when playing a game is not the same as them getting a gun and firing it at their mates, otherwise there would be a lot more shootings.

mothermachine · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:07

My wife and I don't play gun-related/killing PC games near my kids who are 1 and 2. I really think it's not great to expose kids to the concept of killing and murder at such an extremely young and impressionable age. They're like sponges and will just start running around going "bang! bang!" right away. It's scary how strongly we can and do influence them.

to OP: If you want your kid to enjoy gaming, learn how to use a PC and develop his hand-eye coordination then why not fire up any one of the hundreds of non-violent games out there? Myst maybe. Sure he'd love it.

Rainagul · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:14

Diagro said:
Look, we could go about this all day, Simple fact of the matter is that kids of that age should not be playing these games as it can effect them later in life when they start at school.

That's a fact as my wife teaches reception and year 1 and see's it all the time. When asked where they know the moves or the words from they actually say " Mummy / daddy let me play his game where you shoot people for points "

Sooo..

No offence, but I wouldn't trust your wife's "facts" as a model for basing your opinion. Wouldn't hurt to be more open minded about the situation.

Diagro · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:26

Rainagul said:
No offence, but I wouldn't trust your wife's "facts" as a model for basing your opinion. Wouldn't hurt to be more open minded about the situation.

I think i will as she is a Professional within the area we are discussing, Masters in Early years and experience teaching the age group of 4-6 year old's.

I wonder why i trust her experienced words as fact when it comes to the subject?

FeFiDoh · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:28

estebanrey said:
Thing is people are saying this is bad but how many parents buy their children (or adults as kids played with) toy guns and swords? I remember going to the fair every year as a child and my dad buying me a new plastic sword to play with (they didn't last very long).

The difference being its imagination I guess. A child with a toy gun will pretend to shoot someone but it has no effect on the other person they will just run around and go PEW PEW PEW as well. Plonking them in front of BF2 where you are rewarded for killing people, I dunno at 2 this seems a bit off to me and I don't have kids and my parents were pretty easy going.

Rolling your eyes and saying does it matter, well yes it does its age limited for a reason. There are other ways you can prove his abilities in a 3D world other than that and ways in which foster his imagination at the same time, as someone else said Minecraft.

Atlas23 · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:31

FeFiDoh said:
as someone else said Minecraft.

Minecraft has too many small pieces. It could be a choking hazard

Rainagul · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:31

Diagro said:
I think i will as she is a Professional within the area we are discussing, Masters in Early years and experience teaching the age group of 4-6 year old's.

I wonder why i trust her experienced words as fact when it comes to the subject?

Good boy /pat

Haggisman · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:42

FeFiDoh said:
The difference being its imagination I guess. A child with a toy gun will pretend to shoot someone but it has no effect on the other person they will just run around and go PEW PEW PEW as well.

So teaching the kid that "shooting" someone has no consequences, as opposed to at least in BF where the player "dies"?

Blazin23 said:
Minecraft has too many small pieces. It could be a choking hazard

And will teach the kid to karate chop trees and smash things up with rudimentary tools?

dowie · 15 Jan 2014 at 15:42

ci_newman said:
Well yes, it does matter doesn't it. A 2 year old is very easily influenced, he shouldn't be learning that it's ok to shoot people nor should he be watching you do it either. You probably wouldn't let him watch a violent 18+ movie, why is gaming any different

because its more like a cartoon than a film... I'm pretty sure watching GI Joe, he man and transformers every Saturday morning didn't affect the kids of the 80s...

Granted picking up hoes in GTA5 is a bit different as society dictates that kids aren't supposed to learn about sex until a bit later in life...but a game involving shooting... kids play with soldiers, have fights in the play ground, shoot each other with nerf guns, watch violent cartoons... yet controlling the little guy on the screen and doing the same thing is supposed to be prohibited