New build for niece

[nutski1873]

Is this a "Christmas" build thing?

I ask because the Nv refresh is about to hit and might provide better options for new purchases if you intend to shuffle your old card to your niece.

Yes it is. So should I wait then til nearer Xmas to do it?

 

[Tetras]

Yes it is. So should I wait then til nearer Xmas to do it?

I believe the memory is supposed to be a multiple of 3 by using 3GB instead of 2GB chips, so 6x3 on the 5070 Super and 8x3 on the 5070 Ti Super. This will beat the competing AMD cards by 2GB (non-Ti) and 8GB (Ti).

 

[NetMan]

For one person £1k is a bottle of wine to go with their dinner for most its a lot to drop on a gift for someone so cost is relative...

If there is more than one niece / nephew are you going to spend the same on the others?


Is she really into PC's or just likes playing games?

If its just the games maybe a steamdeck for xmas then grab a new GPU when they release the supers for your PC and sell the old one to offset the cost a bit.

No one actually knows when the supers with more ram are going to appear, it could be xmas or they could use xmas to clear their stock of existing cards and release the supers in the new year.

If she really is into PC's and you are going new then don't just give it to her get her to help you build it, you might be able to shave some off eg 8400F and your 3060 then upgrade later when its needed.


Also worth looking for any second hand bargains it doesn't have to be new, way back when I was in college the first PC I purchased was a 286 then my uncle gave me a 386 but with a VGA monitor. I don't think it cost him a lot if anything because he worked in IT and they would have got rid of the old stuff when they had a refresh. But it was great as far as I was concerned and meant I could play the likes of Wing Commander which was ground breaking at the time.

 

[nutski1873]

Sorry for the long reply.

I only have 1 niece and 1 nephew. The plan is to spend the same on each like always. If I could build one cheaper that could still run games at a good high quality then I’d spend less on the setup. My nephew is wanting a gaming monitor, so plan is monitor and probably a chair. My mum normally puts towards the gifts so it’s not just me spending the money.

My nephew already has a 4060 laptop that is only a year old. My niece’s laptop is coming up to 3 years old and only has a GTX1650, i5, 16gb ram and she is complaining that certain games don’t run so well on it.

Both are into gaming, over the years I have got them a Xbox, PS5, switch, VR. But anytime they are up at me, they both try and get on my PC first. They have both amassed a decent steam library.

Maybe the build above is overkill for her. I’m not fussed about waiting for the Supers as it probably will be difficult to find one at release. Do you have an idea of a cheaper build that will still do the job, I’m useless at trying to put a parts list together. I can easily build them, I like the idea of getting her to help build it as I know she would enjoy that part just as much.

Thanks for any ideas you have.

 

[NetMan]

Sounds like they are spoilt for choice if they have got xbox, ps5, switch, VR, and laptops already.

I need a rich uncle - lol

I don't have a crystal ball but theres a chance AMD might react when the supers are released with a price drop / games bundles etc so I'd wait a bit longer if its going to be an xmas gift. I've never found anything amazing during black friday sales but if you can wait that long theres a chance you might get some bargains but its the end of November so quiet close to xmas by then which doesn't give you much time to get the rest of the parts if something is out of stock etc...

As I said you could possibly drop the spec a bit such as an 8400f cpu and using your 3060 then buying 9070xt / Nvidia super for your PC the problem is even entry level gaming on PC is expensive now.


It would be fun building a PC with her but you are back to square one after she takes it home, they will still fight to use your PC when they visit so you might have to resign yourself to the fact that you won't be gaming when they come over unless you get a steam deck for yourself.

 

[nutski1873]

for the suggested new system using the transferred 3060, my current build that i was going to put in a 9070xt or a 5070ti, i dont think my psu has the right connecters. the 3060 is using just a 6+2pin. it looks like i have only a spare 6pin coming from the psu. can i get a connecter that changes that 6pin into an 8pin or another 6+2pin if that would be enough for the 9070xt? (i would have the current 6+2 that is in the 3060, with the extra available 6pin) or would i need to also get a new PSU for my existing machine?

my exisiting machine has the following parts

3060 12gb
i7 12700f
mobo is a b660 i think
64gb ddr4 ram

i know this is a stupid question but i am assuming that the new build will run games better than existing one. So do i build myself a new rig where i could push the budget to £1500 and give my current system to my niece, and keep the new one to myself, if you think my current system still has a few years left to run games at good/high/ultra settings.

 

[mickyflinn]

What make and model is your PSU ?

 

[Tetras]

i know this is a stupid question but i am assuming that the new build will run games better than existing one. So do i build myself a new rig where i could push the budget to £1500 and give my current system to my niece, and keep the new one to myself, if you think my current system still has a few years left to run games at good/high/ultra settings.

It depends on what you buy, I mean, something like a 7600 is not going to be noticeable, your current system is more or less the same in games.

If you got a 7800X3D/9800X3D then they're a lot better gaming CPUs than 12th gen, but that would also depend on the games, resolutions and settings. In some circumstances the difference wouldn't be large at all. For modern higher-end graphics cards, you really need an AM5 CPU (like 7600 or better) or a 12th gen CPU to get most of the performance, so the benefit of having a faster CPU is situational and relative to the card.

If you got a 5090, for example, even though you're likely playing at a higher resolution, you wouldn't want an experience where the gameplay is very choppy due to a slow CPU, so you'd likely pick the 9800X3D anyway.

If your intention was to upgrade to something like a 9070 XT, then the 12th gen CPU is a sufficient pairing.

for the suggested new system using the transferred 3060, my current build that i was going to put in a 9070xt or a 5070ti, i dont think my psu has the right connecters. the 3060 is using just a 6+2pin. it looks like i have only a spare 6pin coming from the psu. can i get a connecter that changes that 6pin into an 8pin or another 6+2pin if that would be enough for the 9070xt? (i would have the current 6+2 that is in the 3060, with the extra available 6pin) or would i need to also get a new PSU for my existing machine?

That would be unusual, is it very old? Most modern PSUs have 8 pin (6+2) connectors. The last card I can recall that widely used a single 8 pin was the 4070.

 

[nutski1873]

What make and model is your PSU ?

i actually have no idea, no details on the outside of the thing whatsoever for some unknown reason, its literally just showing as a 550w PSU which i reckon now is not powerful enough to run the new card. So id need to get a new PSU by looks of it to go with the new 9070/5070 or leave current system as is and just build new system with the new card in that one for me.

 

[nutski1873]

That would be unusual, is it very old? Most modern PSUs have 8 pin (6+2) connectors. The last card I can recall that widely used a single 8 pin was the 4070.

its only about 2 years old, maybe 3 come the end of this year.

 

[sx_turbo]

i actually have no idea, no details on the outside of the thing whatsoever for some unknown reason, its literally just showing as a 550w PSU which i reckon now is not powerful enough to run the new card. So id need to get a new PSU by looks of it to go with the new 9070/5070 or leave current system as is and just build new system with the new card in that one for me.

If I were you, I'd build myself the new pc, and give your niece your one.

 

[nutski1873]

id like the system to really be versatile in a multitude of games.

I personally play a lot of racing/fps games, but honestly i play the whole circle of games (console wise my library is over the 3k games mark so its definitely varied, play a lot of Warcraft and started wandering into the VR game space.

my niece and nephew play a lot of different things. id love to get them both a system and id wait for an upgrade but i dont think id get them both anything decent for like £7-800 each. if i was getting them both a system at the same time, i would only want to spend £1k at the absolute max, but dont know if the systems at those prices would play what they play like Baldurs Gate 3 etc. If you could suggest otherwise that would be great. Other than that it would be as mentioned before.

So a system that could play most at high/ultra settings. 4k or 1440p. not 1080p anymore.

 

[mickyflinn]

i actually have no idea, no details on the outside of the thing whatsoever for some unknown reason, its literally just showing as a 550w PSU which i reckon now is not powerful enough to run the new card. So id need to get a new PSU by looks of it to go with the new 9070/5070 or leave current system as is and just build new system with the new card in that one for me.

Looking at reviews BG3 the 3060 gives 60fps @ 1080p on high settings but can dip well below this so this needs to be considered giving your pc to your niece.

It may not be long before she mite want and upgrade , how does it run on your pc ?

Best Baldur's Gate 3 graphics settings for RTX 3060 and RTX 3060 Ti

The RTX 3060 and the 3060 Ti continue to be superb video cards for playing the latest games in the market, especially in less demanding and expansive RPGs like Baldur's Gate 3.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[nutski1873]

If I were you, I'd build myself the new pc, and give your niece your one.

my one as is i know is enough for my niece playing BG3 as she does that already.

 

[Tetras]

id like the system to really be versatile in a multitude of games.

I personally play a lot of racing/fps games, but honestly i play the whole circle of games (console wise my library is over the 3k games mark so its definitely varied, play a lot of Warcraft and started wandering into the VR game space.

my niece and nephew play a lot of different things. id love to get them both a system and id wait for an upgrade but i dont think id get them both anything decent for like £7-800 each. if i was getting them both a system at the same time, i would only want to spend £1k at the absolute max, but dont know if the systems at those prices would play what they play like Baldurs Gate 3 etc. If you could suggest otherwise that would be great. Other than that it would be as mentioned before.

So a system that could play most at high/ultra settings. 4k or 1440p. not 1080p anymore.

Some racing games and World of Warcraft particularly like the X3D CPUs, so that's something to consider.

This video may interest you:

Given the demands you have on your PC, I'm leaning toward saying you should buy a new one, but you will need a decent budget.

 

[nutski1873]

Looking at reviews BG3 the 3060 gives 60fps @ 1080p on high settings but can dip well below this so this needs to be considered giving your pc to your niece.

It may not be long before she mite want and upgrade , how does it run on your pc ?

Best Baldur's Gate 3 graphics settings for RTX 3060 and RTX 3060 Ti

The RTX 3060 and the 3060 Ti continue to be superb video cards for playing the latest games in the market, especially in less demanding and expansive RPGs like Baldur's Gate 3.

www.sportskeeda.com

it seems to run mostly above 60fps on 4k, does drop to the 40s on occasion, but also increases upwards of 100s sometimes, so doesn't run badly at all on my system.

 

[nutski1873]

Some racing games and World of Warcraft particularly like the X3D CPUs, so that's something to consider.

This video may interest you:

Given the demands you have on your PC, I'm leaning toward saying you should buy a new one, but you will need a decent budget.

ok **** (not a swear word, but i do apologise) it you have persuaded me to get a new one.

You say decent budget, whats a decent budget thats not too silly (£2k-£2.5k)), not think of going near 5090s etc. I would like the new system if it was for me too look the part, not just plain and boring. Get AIO coolers, i am too old to still like RGB but i cant help myself. Would like to do some nice colourful cable management, etc. thinking maybe a total black/blue or white/blue design flavours.

So we are scratching a new build for my niece, i can give her my current one. Would i be able to replicate my existing build (or approximately) so then both my niece and nephew would have similar systems, not breaking the bank for that one obv.

From asking for help building 1. This may have evolved into 2 or 3. As in either 2 budget ones for my niece/nephew running this at 1080p on high ish. 1 new build for niece, and now a new build for myself.

thank you all for your helps. My basket is going to end up huge lol. No monitors req, and i have Win 11 keys from elsewhere.

 

[Tetras]

You say decent budget, whats a decent budget thats not too silly (£2k-£2.5k)), not think of going near 5090s etc. I would like the new system if it was for me too look the part, not just plain and boring. Get AIO coolers, i am too old to still like RGB but i cant help myself. Would like to do some nice colourful cable management, etc. thinking maybe a total black/blue or white/blue design flavours.

Here's an example £2K(ish) build, I didn't choose the cables, but you could pick some sets yourself. If you're thinking of extensions then you can use any cables, but they're PSU specific otherwise. I would recommend you do not cable manage the 16 pin in this way on an nvidia card (adding extra points of failure/resistance with these is not a good idea), but with the AMD 9070 XT (8-pins) that's fine.

The memory in this is excessive, you don't need 96GB for gaming, but I thought you might want an upgrade on your existing 64GB.

I hope there's enough RGB.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £399.95
• 1 x MSI B850 GAMING PLUS WIFI (AMD AM5) B850 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-03994) = £169.99
• 1 x Crucial Pro 96GB (2x48GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C46 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-01084) = £239.99
• 1 x PNY GeForce RTX 5070 Ti OC Triple Fan 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-PNY-04063) = £679.99
• 1 x NVIDIA - Borderlands 4 Standard Edition & the Gilded Glory Pack DLC (SKU: DIG-NVI-06102) = £0.00
• 1 x Crucial T500 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-CRU-01090) = £131.99
• 1 x Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB Mid-tower PC case - Black (SKU: CA-7B8-LL) = £89.99
• 1 x be quiet! Pure Power 13 M 1000W ATX 3.1 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: POW-BEQ-05638) = £129.94
• 1 x Thermalright Frozen Notte 360 Black ARGB V2 All In One CPU Cooler (SKU: COO-TLR-03260) = £69.95

Total: £1,911.79 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

So we are scratching a new build for my niece, i can give her my current one. Would i be able to replicate my existing build (or approximately) so then both my niece and nephew would have similar systems, not breaking the bank for that one obv.

You mean, the 12700K and 3060? Or just the aesthetics, like the case and cooler?

I haven't had a good look at it, but a 12700K probably would not make sense at current prices and the 3060 has almost disappeared. A 9060 XT 16GB is likely to be a better buy than a 3060 anyhow, if you can find one.

 

[nutski1873]

You mean, the 12700K and 3060? Or just the aesthetics, like the case and cooler?

I haven't had a good look at it, but a 12700K probably would not make sense at current prices and the 3060 has almost disappeared. A 9060 XT 16GB is likely to be a better buy than a 3060 anyhow, if you can find one.

A complete build on par with the 12700 and 3060. obv AMD or whatever

 

[Tetras]

A complete build on par with the 12700 and 3060. obv AMD or whatever

If you wanted it to look similar, you could get a motherboard of a similar design, the same cooler and the same case. You could also choose a graphics card from the same range, like..., a 3060 Ventus could be matched with a 5060 Ventus.

Similar or better performance is not difficult, can do that.