New Canon full frame?

James J said:
All this talk of hit rates is also pointless, as the hit rate naturally goes up when you know the limits and quirks of the hardware inside out. If you handed me a D700, my hit rate with that would be lower than with my 5D mk ii, simply because I don't know how to use the autofocus system properly on the nikon model.

Its time to all come back to reality and refill the common sense tanks.
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If you can point, half press.. and click the shutter... then no it wouldn't. I don't know why focusing seems like such a hard technique to learn for some.
Good AF systems make it easy for you, that's the point.
 
James J said:
Extremely well put. Said it far better than I would have.

Why is the 7D even being discussed anyway, especially in this depth? This thread is about a rumoured brand new full frame camera from canon, not a 3 year old 1.6x crop body :S Its this sort of garbage which makes me think twice before posting any threads on this forum anymore as it just devolves into "my wang is bigger than yours" arguments.
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+hundreds

This utter rubbish is exactly why I lost interest in this forum for photography, too much obsessing pointlessly about technology and far too little appreciation for the real world. A real shame as this used to be an interesting sub forum.

Seriously, think about how ludicrous people sound arguing about how awful the AA filter is rather than actually being creative in some way (I mean, you're interested in photography for a reason right?). Go look at the shots people took with the D2 and the like and grasp the fact that just maybe your photography might be most improved by actually improving your photography rather than moaning about esoteric technical points.
 
An Exception said:
If you can point, half press.. and click the shutter... then no it wouldn't. I don't know why focusing seems like such a hard technique to learn for some.
Good AF systems make it easy for you, that's the point.
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How the autofocus behaves depending on the aperture, how many cross focus points which need to be disabled when doing proper macro work and accuracy of the points are all things that don't come from just half pressing a shutter button. Its a valid point, just accept it and move on.
 
bigredshark said:
+hundreds

This utter rubbish is exactly why I lost interest in this forum for photography, too much obsessing pointlessly about technology and far too little appreciation for the real world. A real shame as this used to be an interesting sub forum.

Seriously, think about how ludicrous people sound arguing about how awful the AA filter is rather than actually being creative in some way (I mean, you're interested in photography for a reason right?). Go look at the shots people took with the D2 and the like and grasp the fact that just maybe your photography might be most improved by actually improving your photography rather than moaning about esoteric technical points.
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No one is forcing you to read it. If you don't like camera threads don't read them. If you want to talk about ways of improving your photography why not start a thread about it. It's not rocket science.
 
An Exception said:
If you can point, half press.. and click the shutter... then no it wouldn't. I don't know why focusing seems like such a hard technique to learn for some.
Good AF systems make it easy for you, that's the point.
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Yes it world. Unless your shooting the easiest largely static subjects in the world (in which case you'd do just as well with a D700, 5Dii or damn FM2) then it would be a lower hit rate.

The particulars of the AF system matter, knowing what it needs to lock on for tracking, how it's tuned and it's particular characteristics and oddities make a difference. An out of the box Nikon is slight less useful to me than my Nikon because I have mine setup with the AF parameters and such I like. Even the faster processor in the D3 means it feels subtly different to the D700.

Move to a camera with a different AF system and all bets are off, no matter how good it is. To use any systems effectively you need to able to choose the right mode and set it in seconds without taking your eye away from the camera. Somebody who's never picked up a D700 before obviously can't do that.

Stop arguing for the sake of it maybe?
 
James J said:
How the autofocus behaves depending on the aperture, how many cross focus points which need to be disabled when doing proper macro work and accuracy of the points are all things that don't come from just half pressing a shutter button. Its a valid point, just accept it and move on.
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Why are you disabling af points, what aperture does your macro lens start at?
I don't need to do any of that stuff, all AF points are accurate. Doesn't matter what aperture I use.

I don't really do macro, but below was using autofocus.
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bigredshark said:
Yes it world. Unless your shooting the easiest largely static subjects in the world (in which case you'd do just as well with a D700, 5Dii or damn FM2) then it would be a lower hit rate.

The particulars of the AF system matter, knowing what it needs to lock on for tracking, how it's tuned and it's particular characteristics and oddities make a difference. An out of the box Nikon is slight less useful to me than my Nikon because I have mine setup with the AF parameters and such I like. Even the faster processor in the D3 means it feels subtly different to the D700.

Move to a camera with a different AF system and all bets are off, no matter how good it is. To use any systems effectively you need to able to choose the right mode and set it in seconds without taking your eye away from the camera. Somebody who's never picked up a D700 before obviously can't do that.

Stop arguing for the sake of it maybe?
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Up until last week i didn't know that in a Nikon, to overexpose a shot with the dial, you dial NEGATIVE (in Canon's system), as in to the left.

Everything else in the world start with smaller number on the left. Ruler, measuring tape, or simply handwriting, you begin on the left.

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That to me would be totally counter intuitive, so I would get it so wrong for the first few shots.

Then I have to figure out how to dial it the other way round.
 
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bigredshark said:
Yes it world. Unless your shooting the easiest largely static subjects in the world (in which case you'd do just as well with a D700, 5Dii or damn FM2) then it would be a lower hit rate.

The particulars of the AF system matter, knowing what it needs to lock on for tracking, how it's tuned and it's particular characteristics and oddities make a difference. An out of the box Nikon is slight less useful to me than my Nikon because I have mine setup with the AF parameters and such I like. Even the faster processor in the D3 means it feels subtly different to the D700.

Move to a camera with a different AF system and all bets are off, no matter how good it is. To use any systems effectively you need to able to choose the right mode and set it in seconds without taking your eye away from the camera. Somebody who's never picked up a D700 before obviously can't do that.

Stop arguing for the sake of it maybe?
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When I first picked up my D7000, hit rate took a huge jump, it seemed like it just didn't want to miss. Maybe it was a miracle.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Up until last week i didn't know that in a Nikon, to overexpose a shot with the dial, you dial NEGATIVE (in Canon's system), as in to the left.
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That is a little odd, I've never found out why it's that way either...my girlfriend is a 5Dii user and it's a mistake she makes quite often using my camera....
 
An Exception said:
If you can point, half press.. and click the shutter... then no it wouldn't. I don't know why focusing seems like such a hard technique to learn for some.
Good AF systems make it easy for you, that's the point.
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Well said mate.

The 5d2 af gets slated in every forum and review you read. And for a reason. Simple reason is that the af is not good.
 
An Exception said:
When I first picked up my D7000, hit rate took a huge jump, it seemed like it just didn't want to miss. Maybe it was a miracle.
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Well if you're shooting portraits and weddings then it's pretty difficult to miss all told...if you're scratching the surface of a poor AF system then scratching the surface of a good AF system will be better. If you're using the full capabilities of a bad system then it'll likely still be better than scratching the surface of a good one you don't know, at least until you learn it.

Or maybe you're superman. Seriously, Cartier-Bresson should watch out.
 
Because of the way you needed to turn the aperture ring on old lenses.

But yeh, a little odd, I found coming from canon I needed to switch the aperture and shutter speed controls around to match canon.
 
An Exception said:
Why are you disabling af points, what aperture does your macro lens start at?
I don't need to do any of that stuff, all AF points are accurate. Doesn't matter what aperture I use.

I don't really do macro, but below was using autofocus.
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I thought you had disabled all AF points except those at the "thirds" so you didn't have to cycle through the points you don't use?
 
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