New Canon full frame?

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It kinda is.. the AA filter was really the only significant issue that holds back the IQ of the 7D. It seems there were others who were interested to know more, and others who wanted to needlessly argue, and now others that want to needlessly whine and derail the thread for no actual reason.

Still don't know what threads of yours you were referring to :confused:
 
It really isn't as an AA filter on a 3 year old camera has NOTHING to do with a rumoured canon full frame new release lol. Why can't you see that? I've also got better things to do then trawl through pointless threads looking for what I've noticed many times so if you want them, look yourself.
 
Lastly, I clearly and explicitly stated I don't believe the Canon engineers who designed he 7D were incompetent - the AA filter was designed to be strong on purpose. there are not many reason why one would do that, video moire or product placement being the 2 most likely. Why is that so hard to believe.

Its hard to believe because:

1. The 7d is a DSLR first and foremost. not a bloody camcorder.
2. DSLR not a freaking camcorder.

If i wanted to buy a camcorder with miore i wont look at a blooming 7d.

Yes the 7d does video and does it well but canon dropped the ball by adding that and focusing more on video which suffered in IQ.

togs care about IQ. Togs do not care about Miore! it simply is no need for it on a still image unless you an correct me.
 
It's threads like this why I don't bother in this forum much anymore. Lots of Internet hyperbole and very little actual user experience.

Funnily enough, as I was reading this last night, I said to my mate on msn that this fanboy hatred against the opposite of what someone owns/uses, kills smaller forums of any type. It always seems to be people that don't/no longer use the same as someone else, that decide to pick holes in absolutely everything the other users/companies have to offer. They also try to use 'facts' that they've read online and have no personal experience of, and can't supply evidence. Sadly, it's the way of keyboard warriors and the internet in general.

It's beyond me why someone can't make rational statements or queries without feeling the need to do it in a snide, condescending or plain abusive way. And no, I'm not saying all these things apply to what's going on in this thread, but some definitely do, and it makes people use other forums, which is a main reason why these boards are so dead in comparison to 4 years ago.
 
Funnily enough, as I was reading this last night, I said to my mate on msn that this fanboy hatred against the opposite of what someone owns/uses, kills smaller forums of any type. It always seems to be people that don't/no longer use the same as someone else, that decide to pick holes in absolutely everything the other users/companies have to offer. They also try to use 'facts' that they've read online and have no personal experience of, and can't supply evidence. Sadly, it's the way of keyboard warriors and the internet in general.

It's beyond me why someone can't make rational statements or queries without feeling the need to do it in a snide, condescending or plain abusive way. And no, I'm not saying all these things apply to what's going on in this thread, but some definitely do, and it makes people use other forums, which is a main reason why these boards are so dead in comparison to 4 years ago.

lol. will reply later
 
Its hard to believe because:

1. The 7d is a DSLR first and foremost. not a bloody camcorder.
2. DSLR not a freaking camcorder.

If i wanted to buy a camcorder with miore i wont look at a blooming 7d.

Yes the 7d does video and does it well but canon dropped the ball by adding that and focusing more on video which suffered in IQ.

togs care about IQ. Togs do not care about Miore! it simply is no need for it on a still image unless you an correct me.

So why do many many wildlife photographers have a 7D as a backup body if they are pro, or if they are a budding amateur, have it as a main? Everyone is making out like the AA filter is so bad that when you take a picture, a trollface pops up. Its the same sort of utter dross people love to spout on here about the 5D mk ii's autofocus system. People make that out to be absolutely useless, yet hundreds of professional photographers used that body to produce some amazing and even iconic images. Like Ray said, people need to stop reading **** on the internet and go out and take photographs.
 
togs care about IQ. Togs do not care about Miore! it simply is no need for it on a still image unless you an correct me.

The higher the resolution sensor, as well as the denser the pixel resolution, the less you need an AA filter. Canon could have quite easily not used one, just like how the D800E doesn't use one and doesn't suffer much from moire, but at the very least a weak aa filter should have been used if stills were a priority.

As I have mentioned before in this thread, it looks like the 5Diii uses processing power to prevent moire, rather than a strong AA filter. So it looks like Canon may be opting for a software solution to prevent moire when the video frames are down sampled to 1080p, which for still photographers will be much more welcome.
 
Funnily enough, as I was reading this last night, I said to my mate on msn that this fanboy hatred against the opposite of what someone owns/uses, kills smaller forums of any type. It always seems to be people that don't/no longer use the same as someone else, that decide to pick holes in absolutely everything the other users/companies have to offer. They also try to use 'facts' that they've read online and have no personal experience of, and can't supply evidence. Sadly, it's the way of keyboard warriors and the internet in general.

It's beyond me why someone can't make rational statements or queries without feeling the need to do it in a snide, condescending or plain abusive way. And no, I'm not saying all these things apply to what's going on in this thread, but some definitely do, and it makes people use other forums, which is a main reason why these boards are so dead in comparison to 4 years ago.

Are you insinuating the XBox-360 is better than the PS3!!!!!
 
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I think you should criticise or question the facts of my post's, not resort to personal insults.
If you can't or are unable to do that for whatever reason, maybe it is you who should head back to DPR as I personally don't post there.
 
Yes have to agree here after doing a bit more research into this issue, it seems a none issue to me and can be tweaked out or reduced to a point where it won't matter it is there anyway. Also seems not only the 7D shows this issue and from what I understand too is if you mess with the AA filter and any of the cameras filters the Auto focus may stop functioning correctly too.. This I don't need and would rather just dial in 2 or 3 points of sharpening inside the camera.

Anyway seems the AA filter is there for a reason Canon understand better than the average joe with a click and shoot device. I saw the way to mod the camera and add the AA filter for video and remove it for taking pictures, but what I really want to see is 2 exact shots showing the AA filter on and off, so far no one has shown this. Only thing I have seen is 2 very different cameras with different AA filters on them and showing the 7D to look worse. :confused:... Not exactly the correct way to do such a test in my opinion and the sensors are so different and also the megapixels..

Anyway 7D seems to be right for my needs and I have seen some amazing shots with it. I really have to ask if it was that bad why do the pros use the 7D as a 2nd camera or even as a crop to increase the reach of their lenses. Every pro that seems to own a 5D of some sort has one. See just that fact says to me they are good cameras. I also suspect the 7D MK2 (if full frame) and the 70D to cost a lot more than what the 7D currently costs and really don't want to spend over a £1000 on a camera when I need to add another expensive lens that costs more than the camera and maybe even one more lens I really want that is about half the price of the camera again. I want to have like 2-3 lenses for this camera that do everything I need and have started selling my none L / prime lenses and wanting only prime and L lenses now. To me the lenses are what make a great camera in most cases and I would rather invest in better glass than waste money on the body because most of the bodies are not that different these days and nothing a bit of photoshop can't fix anyway, also the 7D body does so much more than I need and just that fact is fantastic to me and I will love learning all the new features if has and try get the best out of them.

Only camera I see from Canon that comes close to features of the 7D is the 5D MK3 at the moment and that is just silly priced to me (The pricing of this camera is what makes me believe the next new cameras from Canon are also going to have a silly price tag), I would rather get a 5D Mk2 and a 7D for the price of that and get the best of both worlds then and still have a large chunk of change leftover.

Anyway need to find out more about a lens I posted about in this thread too because i'm wanting to buy both at the same time.

Guys mind looking into this thread too and seeing one of the lenses I speak of, thanks.


http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18428056

I agree, I have worried myself silly on thinking is the AA a problem and I started re checking a lot of my photos. I do remember agaes ago reading some comments on the web that a few clicks of the Sharpness dial is what all was required !

I am just enjoying my 7D ATM and look forwadr to taking out on my nexe outing ! ! :)
 
So why do many many wildlife photographers have a 7D as a backup body if they are pro, or if they are a budding amateur, have it as a main? Everyone is making out like the AA filter is so bad that when you take a picture, a trollface pops up. Its the same sort of utter dross people love to spout on here about the 5D mk ii's autofocus system. People make that out to be absolutely useless, yet hundreds of professional photographers used that body to produce some amazing and even iconic images. Like Ray said, people need to stop reading **** on the internet and go out and take photographs.

please dont even mention the ancient useless 8 point af system thats as useless as a blind frog with on the centre one usable.

Anyways to answer your question, wildlife togs use a 7d because its fast, has a far SUPERIOR af then teh crap thats inside the 5d2 and has a crop reach. perfect for wildlife.

do not go and mention 5d2 here because i and others will have a field day proving you wrong.

the 7d has AA thats visible and impacts the iq in a negetive way and there is no if or buts about it.

we are NOT discussing whether YOU or others are happy with the AA and the iq of the 7d. we are discusisng the fact that it does have AA that affects the IQ.

that is all.
 
please dont even mention the ancient useless 8 point af system thats as useless as a blind frog with on the centre one usable.

Anyways to answer your question, wildlife togs use a 7d because its fast, has a far SUPERIOR af then teh crap thats inside the 5d2 and has a crop reach. perfect for wildlife.

do not go and mention 5d2 here because i and others will have a field day proving you wrong.

the 7d has AA thats visible and impacts the iq in a negetive way and there is no if or buts about it.

we are NOT discussing whether YOU or others are happy with the AA and the iq of the 7d. we are discusisng the fact that it does have AA that affects the IQ.

that is all.

How can you prove anyone wrong when you neither own or use either of the cameras? Raymond uses this "useless" AF when shooting fast lenses wide open in a fast paced wedding environment, so it's clearly far from "useless". Amazingly there are even people using it for sports and wildlife... Yes there are better AF systems available, but the 5D2 is far from useless. Likewise the 7D AA filter is such a non issue, but again you'd have to use one to know that.
 
Ok then do one thing for me. select one of the outer points and have fun shooting.

Also i have used a 5d2 before and the outer af points are as useless as the ones on a rebel series body.
 
I used the 5d af system, I would describe it as something you can 'get by with', not something that's a joy to use. But that's not got anything to do with this thread whatsoever and James shouldn't have derailed further.
 
Ok then do one thing for me. select one of the outer points and have fun shooting.

Also i have used a 5d2 before and the outer af points are as useless as the ones on a rebel series body.

Ahem.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=411077

I won't post all the photos on there because i'll get banned.

but i'll quote this one.

You know, it's useless right?

Just processing this set.

Bride walking down the aisle towards me.

5Dii+85L @ F/1.2, 1/80th, ISO 250, "top right" focus point and I think it was One Shot.



@ 100%

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7106/screenshot20120617at013.png




Yes, I am cursing at that guy with a stupid camera too. :bang:


This is an old photo but i am quite impressed with this still to this day.




I have thousands upon thousands more examples.
 
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umm the first pic shows u focused in the middle using the middle point(the only usable af).

the 2nd one is a joke. you are trying to gain focus on your subject thats perfectly lite compared to the gate/dark area.

Do you even know how a AF system works?

Show me a pic and proof of u focusing using one of the outer points in a scene where its hard to distinguish between contrasts in a specific scene.

good luck digging one such photo.
 
umm the first pic shows u focused in the middle using the middle point(the only usable af).

the 2nd one is a joke. you are trying to gain focus on your subject thats perfectly lite compared to the gate/dark area.

Do you even know how a AF system works?

Show me a pic and proof of u focusing using one of the outer points in a scene where its hard to distinguish between contrasts in a specific scene.

good luck digging one such photo.

Is this serious?
 
umm the first pic shows u focused in the middle using the middle point(the only usable af).

the 2nd one is a joke. you are trying to gain focus on your subject thats perfectly lite compared to the gate/dark area.

Do you even know how a AF system works?

Show me a pic and proof of u focusing using one of the outer points in a scene where its hard to distinguish between contrasts in a specific scene.

good luck digging one such photo.

Oh dear.....
 
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