New Labour, was it worth it?

It’s hard to say, obviously the Iraq war can be laid at Blair’s feet without much argument.

But things like the EU/immigration/multiculturalism and the subsequent Brexit could easily have been the Tories as well bearing in mind they signed us upto the creation of the EU a few years earlier.

My memories of the 90s were it wasn’t that bad, I think it’s really been a steady decline ever since following New Labour winning.
 
Jokester said:
My memories of the 90s were it wasn’t that bad
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Early 90s weren't great... ERM shenanigans with interest rates soaring into double figures, high unemployment (over 10% - higher than it has been since, even following the financial crisis it only peaked around 8%), war in Iraq, inflation above 7% (it's not been close to that until very recently), poll tax, negative GDP, home repossessions WAY higher than we've seen since (despite the financial crisis and more houses being built so more to reposess) etc etc the list goes on.
 
It started out well and I'm saying that as someone who didn't vote for him/them but it all fell apart in the end from illegal wars to Blair quitting and the economic collapse and utter disaster that was Brown. Its funny how partys/governments seem to come apart at the seams and collapse into degeneracy you only need look at the state we're in at present with a PM who's starting to make Brown look like a winner a bunch of circus clowns could do a better job and now he thinks he's going to lead the party and the country into the '30's past the next election... why he's not just deluded he's utterly deranged.

HangTime said:
Early 90s weren't great... ERM shenanigans with interest rates soaring into double figures, high unemployment (over 10% - higher than it has been since, even following the financial crisis it only peaked around 8%), war in Iraq, inflation above 7% (it's not been close to that until very recently), poll tax, negative GDP, home repossessions WAY higher than we've seen since (despite the financial crisis and more houses being built so more to reposess) etc etc the list goes on.
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To anyone who remembers the 70's the 90's felt like paradise
 
Apart from the illegal war, uni fee's, the start of the selling off of the NHS I will alway fondly remember new labour for flooding the employment market with EU nationals. Which led to lower wages and minimum wage.

Almost brings a tear to my eye
 
aVdub said:
Apart from the illegal war, uni fee's, the start of the selling off of the NHS I will alway fondly remember new labour for flooding the employment market with EU nationals. Which led to lower wages and minimum wage.

Almost brings a tear to my eye
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You forgot the gold sell off.
 
Jokester said:
/immigration/multiculturalism and the subsequent Brexit could easily have been the Tories as well bearing in mind they signed us upto the creation of the EU a few years earlier.

My memories of the 90s were it wasn’t that bad, I think it’s really been a steady decline ever since following New Labour winning.
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Absolutely not, Labour flung open the doors because in their words "They wanted to rub the Tories noses in multiculturalism" Now the girls of Britain get to feel culturally enriched in towns across Britain by a local Asian rape gangs near you
 
Jokester said:
It’s hard to say, obviously the Iraq war can be laid at Blair’s feet without much argument.

But things like the EU/immigration/multiculturalism and the subsequent Brexit could easily have been the Tories as well bearing in mind they signed us upto the creation of the EU a few years earlier.

My memories of the 90s were it wasn’t that bad, I think it’s really been a steady decline ever since following New Labour winning.
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I think Blair had as much to do with Brexit as Cameron did. Cameron used the Brexit vote to try to defeat a growing support for people like Farage, never expecting to lose the vote. But Blair caused a lot of resentment in the country for immigrants because he opened the flood gates. Net immigration quadrupled between 1997 to 2010. Rightly or wrongly it was a shock to some people of this country who pushed back on it.

So in my opinion Blair set the conditions for people wanting Brexit and Cameron used those conditions never expecting to lose.
 
Hades said:
I think Blair had as much to do with Brexit as Cameron did. Cameron used the Brexit vote to try to defeat a growing support for people like Farage, never expecting to lose the vote. But Blair caused a lot of resentment in the country for immigrants because he opened the flood gates. Net immigration quadrupled between 1997 to 2010. Rightly or wrongly it was a shock to some people of this country who pushed back on it.

So in my opinion Blair set the conditions for people wanting Brexit and Cameron used those conditions never expecting to lose.
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Lack of investment in infrastructure, housing, NHS etc led to brexit. People saw literally millions of people coming here and at the same time saw these services go down the toilet and they link the two events rightly or wrongly. I think austerity led directly to the brexit vote rather than anything Blair did.
 
Hades said:
I think Blair had as much to do with Brexit as Cameron did. Cameron used the Brexit vote to try to defeat a growing support for people like Farage, never expecting to lose the vote. But Blair caused a lot of resentment in the country for immigrants because he opened the flood gates. Net immigration quadrupled between 1997 to 2010. Rightly or wrongly it was a shock to some people of this country who pushed back on it.

So in my opinion Blair set the conditions for people wanting Brexit and Cameron used those conditions never expecting to lose.
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That's my point, yes, the government should have increased infrastructure investment to match, but when the consequences of the massive increase in immigration is the likes of a house price bubble and wage growth and productitivity stagnation it's hard for investment to keep up with demand. Also didn't help that the government didn't actually have a grip on how many people had come here either legally or illegally (something like 2m extra EU citizens were found to live here when they did the Brexit settlment thing).

Tories just see house price growth and low wage stagnation as good for wealth creation, so if they had forseen that happening I doubt they would have done anything different.
 
A thread where Tory fantasists try to blame Labour for building the foundations of the current problems?

I vote for whoever has the best plan at the time - in 1997 the Tories were an unelectable mess much like Labour were a decade or so later.

And here we are, with another unelectable mess in power - this time however they have doubled down on being UKiP rather than centrists - let’s see how badly that hits them in a country where the vast majority of people are actually quite reasonable :D
 
Labour and the benefit culture. Don't want to work for a living? Don't worry we'll make it more beneficial to sit on your ass and claim all the benefits you like.
 
Or Sunak writes off PPE fraud, or Sunak writes off furlough fraud, or Sunak doesn't insure against interest rate rises, or Sunak pays people to go to restaurants before another lockdown.
 
Voltar said:
I do often think that New Labour are the source of most of our problems too tbh.
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Funny, I put the source of all our problems with Thatcher. Her legacy of causing the housing crisis is a shame on the nation, yet they build a ****** statue of the *****
 
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