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New R9 290X 8GB cards
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Man of Honour
The GTX 980 is fantastic as a single card @4K unfortunately this is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
Once you start using 3 or 4 of them to get decent fps at decent settings they don't keep up with the 290Xs or even 2 year old Titans.
Worse still if the poor multi GPU scaling at 4K does not get you then the 4gb buffer will.
The GTX 980 and 290X are both great cards but they are targeted at different things as they both have strengths and weaknesses.
Man of Honour
Anyone notice why the graph above is total garbage.
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It shows a 2gb GTX 690 with a 256bit bus and no memory compression beating a 4gb GTX 980 with memory compression over a 256bit bus @4K.
Now how many games do we know that you can play @4K in 2gb of VRAM, answers on a back of a postage stamp please.
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I know what they're capable of Kaap but going around and telling people who don't know any better that they're only '5%' faster then a 290x is just bull **** and I have no patience for people who do nothing but spread mis-information.
Man of Honour
That is the weird thing about them though.
They are faster than a GTX 690 @1080p but slower than a GTX 690 at high resolutions.
Soldato
From what I've read, largely on this forum, it seems that single card a 980 is faster than a 290X most fo the time. With multiple cards it seems to depend on resolution, at 1080p Nvidia is better, at 3840x2160 AMD seem to be better, 1440p is probably close. I also think AMD cards scale better with 3 and 4 way setups.
And really when you're talking about 8GB cards you'd really want 3 or 4 cards to have enough grunt to need 8GB.
And really when you're talking about 8GB cards you'd really want 3 or 4 cards to have enough grunt to need 8GB.
Soldato
This times a hundred !!!
People need to stop paying attention to crappy tech sites that are just putting this info up to get clicks, Gibbo himself talked to Nvidia and they said they don't have any plans for 8GB 980's.
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Anyone notice why the graph above is total garbage.
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It shows a 2gb GTX 690 with a 256bit bus and no memory compression beating a 4gb GTX 980 with memory compression over a 256bit bus @4K.
Now how many games do we know that you can play @4K in 2gb of VRAM, answers on a back of a postage stamp please.
As pointed out in your thread you need to understand what you're talking about, delta compression is NOT memory compression
This was pointed out to you by more then a few people in your thread.
Soldato
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure when the 295x2s dropped to £700 Gibbo said that it was a 3 day only price not to be repeated...
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Boom has both the 980 and the 290X 8GB, and you accused him of "belong in AMD camp" and spreading BS.
Man of Honour
As pointed out in your thread you need to understand what you're talking about, delta compression is NOT memory compression
This was pointed out to you by more then a few people in your thread.
So what you are trying to tell me is a 256bit bus without compression is better than a 256bit bus with compression, I don't think so nor does NVidia going by the 9 series.
And yes I know how data compression works and have done so for the last 35 years. It has shown up many many times in different forms in the Hi Fi world and a lot of the implementations have had problems too.
Soldato
Lol, I tell you what not being a fanboy of either camp is actually worse bud, because you get crap from the fanboys of both
I've used all the cards, because while reviews are good, I prefer to try these things for myself, can honestly say that there really isn't much in it between 980 and 290X 8GB, the 980 is more refined, and has some extra features and is better in benchy's, but the raw power of the 290X and 8GB frame buffer are also appealing and in gaming there really isn't much in it.
Between the two cards I prefer to keep the 290X, just personal preference, either card would have been replaced with 390X / Titan X anyway, but I would rather use the 290X 8GB until that point, and that give the (8GB 290X) to my son who in his PC the 8GB frame buffer will prop be more useful than 5% more performance (980) as he'll keep the card for a year or two and we're already seeing games use more than 6GB, the vram is more likely to be limiting going forward than 5% extra performance..
@ Almighty that 5% is in gaming terms, benching wise I would put the 980 about 10% ahead, but it's a still a 30% premium over the 8GB 290X and almost 50% premium over the 4GB 290X. So the value of what's more important is highly subjective to the user. When people state their opinion it is only their opinion. To some the 290 is best bang for buck card to others it's the 970, because these things are highly subjective we are never all going to agree.
So yeah 8GB 290X is a keeper, this is based on personal experience, not reviews. You guys can make of that what you will
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Man of Honour
Lol, I tell you what not being a fanboy of either camp is actually worse bud, because you get crap from the fanboys of both
The knack is to be good at ducking then you are not the one covered with crap.
Soldato
Man of Honour
Just spent all day fitting waterblocks to a pile of 980s so I am not that anti NVidia cards.
Soldato
Just spent all day fitting waterblocks to a pile of 980s so I am not that anti NVidia cards.
Lol the amount of times I've been called an Nvidia or AMD fanboy, the whole time I use cards from both camps
This MSI card is my new fav, runs around 75c at full load 1100mhz core. Fan purrs along nicely, not loud or annoying. Performance is impressive, like having that 8GB frame buffer. Kind of like it's there if I ever need it.
My next card is gonna have to 8GB or more, I can't go back
20nm / 16nm Titan X with 8GB or 12GB, will likely be next upgrade.
Man of Honour
Lol the amount of times I've been called an Nvidia or AMD fanboy, the whole time I use cards from both camps
This MSI card is my new fav, runs around 75c at full load 1100mhz core. Fan purrs along nicely, not loud or annoying. Performance is impressive, like having that 8GB frame buffer. Kind of like it's there if I ever need it.
My next card is gonna have to 8GB or more, I can't go back
20nm / 16nm Titan X with 8GB or 12GB, will likely be next upgrade.
Next must have card is the Maxwell Titan.
It will cost a lot up front but in the long run I think if you get it at launch time it will turn out to be money well spent like the original Titans.
Here is some NVidia porn (what I have been working on today) to cheer up the green team.
That makes me want watercooling.
But I've never done a custom loop before and it seems quite a lot of hassle, draining every 6 months or so? Cleaning? The topping up and checking for leaks. I mean finding a leak on the top card as it drips onto the bottom 3...... Or idk. Seems quite a lot of risk/hassle for CPU cooling *but* it makes more sense to me for GPUs.
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Soldato
Next must have card is the Maxwell Titan.
It will cost a lot up front but in the long run I think if you get it at launch time it will turn out to be money well spent like the original Titans.
Here is some NVidia porn (what I have been working on today) to cheer up the green team.
Very nice setup, what CPU you using?
Soldato
Lol the amount of times I've been called an Nvidia or AMD fanboy, the whole time I use cards from both camps
This MSI card is my new fav, runs around 75c at full load 1100mhz core. Fan purrs along nicely, not loud or annoying. Performance is impressive, like having that 8GB frame buffer. Kind of like it's there if I ever need it.
My next card is gonna have to 8GB or more, I can't go back
20nm / 16nm Titan X with 8GB or 12GB, will likely be next upgrade.
Yeah, I get that from a few people.
I've even been called an Nvidia fanboy/anti-AMD when almost exclusively using AMD cards.