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New rider do's and dont's

Discussion in 'Biker's Cafe' started by NoNameNoNumber, Jul 28, 2015.

  1. Dogbreath

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 16,651

    Location: Devon

    1) Fugly
    2) See 1)
     
  2. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Sep 11, 2013

    Posts: 9,893

    1/. Have to buy top box, fitting plate, rack and fixings all as separate items. Even second-hand, these are FLIPPIN' expensive!!!

    2/. Can't carry as much in a topbox as in my pack, can't collapse it down and can't as easily cart it around town.

    3/. Would have to get a pillion backrest (more money) and lug the wife around!!

    4/. Racks all attach to the indicator mounts, which on my bike were damaged in the off and even with serious welding I'd still not trust them to bear more than a couple kilos of weight.
     
  3. .one.

    Mobster

    Joined: Aug 1, 2006

    Posts: 3,655

    1. Mine was free :D Givi

    2. I can carry 2 crash helmets.

    3. **** the wife.

    4. No they do not, not all.

    But they do look Fugly.

    That is why only my work horse has one.
     
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2015
  4. Stovepipes

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Dec 20, 2010

    Posts: 1,109

    Location: Greater London

    I don't like top boxes but my bike is all about practicality and for commuting it's a necessity even though I have a frunk too. I also don't think Rucksacks are safe and only use mine when absolutely necessary.
    Still I had my phone in my pocket and got caught in heavy raid mid commute.

    I managed to get a barely used Honda top box and rack for £100. You should really be able to get top box and rack for any bike for around £200 if you shop carefully but if you want the Givi or bike branded stuff then yeah it'll cost ya.
     
  5. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

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    Posts: 9,893

    They don't make cheap stuff like that for my bike. Even the Ventura soft stuff *starts* at £260 for a full outfit. Givi is insanely expensive!


    I get that, plus 40L of spare space. Plus the pack compresses down, while a box remains a big rigid thing that gets in the way.

    Oh, I do! :p
    But until I can finish getting her bike fixed, or get sorted with a car, I am obliged to ferry her about on the odd occasion.

    Yamaha FJ1200 3XW - If you can find me one (decent) topbox rack that doesn't use the indicator mounts, I'll be impressed!!
     
  6. .one.

    Mobster

    Joined: Aug 1, 2006

    Posts: 3,655

    Are you talking about a back pack ?

    I thought you was referring to all racks on all bikes not fj1200 specific.
     
  7. TripleT

    Sgarrista

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    Posts: 9,407

    Location: Manchester City Centre

    Givi racks are only £100.

    You seriously carry 47litres plus on your back?! And you don't carry the top box around with you, you leave it on the bike :p
     
  8. .one.

    Mobster

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    plus the loss of a pillion.
     
  9. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

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    Posts: 9,893

    Yup.
    Pack, Bergen, Backpack, Rucksack, that sort of thing.

    Nah, I meant all the rack models that fit mine. I haven't a clue what other bikes' kits are like - Just explaining why I don't have one on mine.

    It's the total cost that kills it.
    Rack - £107
    Mounting Plate - £42
    Fixings Set - £23
    Top Box - £240

    Even second hand, they're over £350.

    40+ litres is just the space I'd have free after I've packed two lids.
    I carry up to 109L, depending on the job, or 112L if I have a first aid kit. If it gets too bulky for my tastes, I can quick-lash it to the tie downs and use it as a backrest. Tankbags and tailpacks just aren't big enough.

    Exactly - That's why it's pointless for me. No point in having large luggage capacity if I then have to empty it all out before I can lug it further than wherever I've parked.
     
  10. Tefal

    Capo Crimine

    Joined: Jun 30, 2007

    Posts: 66,581

    Location: Wales

    bags connection cargobag?

    about 120
     
  11. Tefal

    Capo Crimine

    Joined: Jun 30, 2007

    Posts: 66,581

    Location: Wales

    wait what??

    picture of this gargantuan back pack needed

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    cause thats a basic 100l backpack!?

    you seriously cant be riding with something like that on?


    im starting to see why you think filtering is dangerous Jesus
     
  12. wazza300

    Caporegime

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    Location: BenefitStreetBirmingham

    lol turtlepower
     
  13. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

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    Posts: 9,893

    Wrong shape and a bit awkward to carry across muddy fields to reach site.

    Karrimor SF Tecmac 50, with PLCE side pouches, two large PALS dump pouches, first aid kit and lid floated to accomodate bulky work PPE.
    It's basically a smaller version of the issue Infantry Bergen - That one IS big!!

    Not far off. The Infantry Bergen is 165L.

    As with all my other packs on all my other bikes, if it gets too big, it gets lashed to the tie downs. Only really affects the handling at (ahem) higher speeds and it doesn't even stick out as far as my indicators - Benefits of having a wide, supportive pillion seat!

    If you wanna get into that again...

    I think filtering is dangerous because every road cop and riding instructor tells us this, every statistical report supports this and my own experiences so far concur.
    Doesn't stop me doing it.

    Certainly it's far more dangerous to filter than to sit stationary in the middle of your lane in stopped traffic, worrying about whether you're going to be rear-ended!
     
  14. Kreeeee

    Man of Honour

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    As someone who got rear ended in the UK I'd prefer to filter unless there is a stationary car behind me.
     
  15. wazza300

    Caporegime

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    Location: BenefitStreetBirmingham

    some people like being rear ended:p
     
  16. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

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    Been rear-ended myself, but not because I wasn't filtering.
     
  17. TripleT

    Sgarrista

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    Location: Manchester City Centre

    Task, buy a car... :p
     
  18. RyanF

    Wise Guy

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    Task must be more ripped than Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson carrying all this gear haha :p
     
  19. Kreeeee

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    To be fair I was at the front of the queue when it happened :p
     
  20. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

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    Who's gonna pay for it?

    I'm... 'comfortably acclimatised'. ;)

    And yet, if filtering was the answer to avoiding the statistically VERY low chance of being rear-ended, why aren't all the riding schools teaching it?