** NEW SAMSUNG 750D & 950D True 120Hz LED Monitors - PRE-ORDER! **

First impressions of the screen are a bit disappointing tbh. The manual certainly doesn't help much with all the different modes that are possible.

So far it's been tried running in 2D 120Hz mode and also 3D. Impressions:

1. 2D the desktop looks pretty good, but in Warcraft the images are rather pixellated. I hope my initial concerns about pixel density don't prove to be right.
I noticed at the char selection screen that the diagonal line of a warlock's robe looks jagged/serrated quite badly. Also the spell icons once in the game looked quite blocky.

2. WoW in 3D was a bit weird. The foreground has the action bars icons in a very 2D look, but the background is nicely 3D. The major problem was that you couldn't really use the mouse - it was hard to see it and when you could see it, it was clicking something miles away from where the pointer shows on the screen.

I suspect there is more to learn about the various modes. The only one that seemed to work with the glasses was SBS and since it's on my wife's pc and it has dual AMD cards I would have expected to see FS mode being the one that works, based on what I've read here.

I also think we may have to buy the iZ3D driver, sigh.

3. When I initially tried it on my old laptop with a Radeon X1800 card, it wouldn't fill the screen and the colours were very washed out/pale. Text that was a vivid red before now looked pink. Anyone know how I can calibrate it in some way? And also how best to display a white screen to check for dead pixels?

Frenzy - I'll try what you suggested later when (if?) I get it back from wife's computer lol.
 
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Chris911t said:
First impressions of the screen are a bit disappointing tbh. The manual certainly doesn't help much with all the different modes that are possible.

So far it's been tried running in 2D 120Hz mode and also 3D. Impressions:

1. 2D the desktop looks pretty good, but in Warcraft the images are rather pixellated. I hope my initial concerns about pixel density don't prove to be right.
I noticed at the char selection screen that the diagonal line of a warlock's robe looks jagged/serrated quite badly. Also the spell icons once in the game looked quite blocky.

2. WoW in 3D was a bit weird. The foreground has the action bars icons in a very 2D look, but the background is nicely 3D. The major problem was that you couldn't really use the mouse - it was hard to see it and when you could see it, it was clicking something miles away from where the pointer shows on the screen.

I suspect there is more to learn about the various modes. The only one that seemed to work with the glasses was SBS and since it's on my wife's pc and it has dual AMD cards I would have expected to see FS mode being the one that works, based on what I've read here.

I also think we may have to buy the iZ3D driver, sigh.

3. When I initially tried it on my old laptop with a Radeon X1800 card, it wouldn't fill the screen and the colours were very washed out/pale. Text that was a vivid red before now looked pink. Anyone know how I can calibrate it in some way? And also how best to display a white screen to check for dead pixels?

Frenzy - I'll try what you suggested later when (if?) I get it back from wife's computer lol.
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Thanks for the feedback.

The pixel density was a concern of mine. I had the 750D on pre order but cancelled due to the shambolic delivery dates.
Are you saying the image quality is a little blocky????
 
Having tested a huge number of different screen sizes and resolutions I can honestly say that this resolution is absolutely fine for gaming - things do NOT appear 'blocky' or 'pixelated' at all. What you are seeing is simply the effects of everything on the screen being much larger and in your face - which brings any aliasing to your attention. 4x-8x MSAA should look fine on a monitor of this size and resolution.
 
PCM2 said:
Having tested a huge number of different screen sizes and resolutions I can honestly say that this resolution is absolutely fine for gaming - things do NOT appear 'blocky' or 'pixelated' at all. What you are seeing is simply the effects of everything on the screen being much larger and in your face - which brings any aliasing to your attention. 4x-8x MSAA should look fine on a monitor of this size and resolution.
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Well... I wasn't really talking about gaming as such, just how it looked in normal use for applications.

I suspect it may have something to do with the puny graphics card that was running it, an ancient Radeon X1800 mobile which is mine until the new M18x is (eventually) delivered by Dell. When the monitor went onto wife's machine (dual ATI 5000 series) it looked fine in desktop, the problems all started when we tried running things in 3D.

The mouse didn't work properly, although the 3D world was amazing in warcraft - and it was only usable in SBS mode, FS didn't seem to work, nor did the others.

Trying a 3D movie didn't work either - but it was The Polar Express (don't ask) which seems designed for the green/red paper glasses and the only thing that looked ok-ish was in 2D --> 3D mode. Are these 3D types different somehow and incompatible?

Looking at photos in 2D-->3D is fun. Some are boring but if you get a photo that has an object in each of foreground, background and one or more in mid-ground then the 3D realisation is amazing.
 
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When the monitor went onto wife's machine (dual ATI 5000 series) it looked fine in desktop, the problems all started when we tried running things in 3D.

The mouse didn't work properly, although the 3D world was amazing in warcraft - and it was only usable in SBS mode, FS didn't seem to work, nor did the others.

Trying a 3D movie didn't work either - but it was The Polar Express (don't ask) which seems designed for the green/red paper glasses and the only thing that looked ok-ish was in 2D --> 3D mode. Are these 3D types different somehow and incompatible?

Looking at photos in 2D-->3D is fun. Some are boring but if you get a photo that has an object in each of foreground, background and one or more in mid-ground then the 3D realisation is amazing.
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When I tested the 3D on the Samsung T27A950 I also found it rather hit and miss. On some things (even on the TV) the depth effect was excellent using the 'HyperReal' active 2D-3D conversion. On other things (including many game titles) the depth effect was quite subtle and did little to enhance the experience. I'm not really a fan of 3D at the best of times - I find the active shutter glasses dulling and flickering effects under any operating mode a bit too much of a sacrifice as I prefer a more in-your-face image in terms of 'colour pop' rather than literal 'pop out of the screen'.

I mainly tested game titles using the Frame Sequential mode. The biggest problem with this (even on a moderately decent GPU such as the Radeon 5850) is that it effectively halves the framerate. On a 120Hz monitor such as the 'SA' series is not a problem if GPU power is 'unlimited' as you'd get an equivilent 60fps experience. On a 60Hz monitor (such as the 'TA' series) you are basically stuck at 30fps. On many titles the huge reduction in framerate on anything but the most powerful GPUs causes problems in itself with crosstalk and the like- but the extra processing that goes on to deliver the 3D image massively increases input lag. This is why you would have had problems with the mouse - it almost feels like it is stuck to the desk with treacle at times. I also observed some less than stunning effects. On Bad Company 2 there were certainly some 'wow' moments (such as firing an RPG at a distance - great depth effect) but also some distracting flickering, crosstalk and some objects looking like they were made of paper. Coupled with the dulling effect of the glasses - not the best experience. But that's just my take. :)
 
I'll have to check the frame rate next t ime WoW is fired up, but I'm not sure it was input lag causing the mouse issues. There may be a way to test this by moving the mouse, just one movement, and see if it gets to the right spot given time.

Trouble is knowing where the right spot is if you can't see the cursor move.

One of the really big problems with this monitor is the manual - it's rubbish. Most of it is showing you a diagram of how to connect each end of each cable type into the appropriate socket. Duh, like we can't get that bit right.

It doesn't tell you which mode to use when and how the setting work together. The best source of info is here, seeing what people have managed to get working by trial and error. Maybe we should have a separate thread for this.

It reeally would be good to see a review done by an expert - one that goes into the detail of config for various purposes.
 
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It reeally would be good to see a review done by an expert - one that goes into the detail of config for various purposes.
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Unfortunately that won't happen until Samsung get their act together and give their PR company and Euro labs some of these for testing. I've been on at them most days trying to get ahold of one but it has been fruitless so far. I'm sure this would help a lot of people - it's an expensive monitor and it would be good to know how to get the best out of it and what to expect before buying.
 
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I thought they were the same? 2ms all?
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That is the grey to grey response time as quoted by Samsung. As it happens the 'TA' series has a 3ms quoted grey to grey response time and noticeably less aggressive overdrive. This is quite common for hybrid monitors - it doesn't support 120Hz output, either, which is a major difference when it comes to responsiveness. Input lag is also commonly higher on hybrid monitors or TVs than 'pure monitors' and the 'TA' series is no exception - average input lag is probably in excess of 20ms which is relatively slow. You should really check out our T27A950 review for further clarification. ;)
 
PCM2 said:
That is the grey to grey response time as quoted by Samsung. As it happens the 'TA' series has a 3ms quoted grey to grey response time and noticeably less aggressive overdrive. This is quite common for hybrid monitors - it doesn't support 120Hz output, either, which is a major difference when it comes to responsiveness. Input lag is also commonly higher on hybrid monitors or TVs than 'pure monitors' and the 'TA' series is no exception - average input lag is probably in excess of 20ms which is relatively slow. You should really check out our T27A950 review for further clarification. ;)
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i'm a monitor n00b

Only reason i want a 950 is because of the stand :D

With DP, can you use one DP output on a gfx card for all 3 monitors? I was under the impression they could be daisy chained?
 
Is there any decent reviews out for these?

Also sorry if this has been answered what is the actual difference between the 750 and the 950? Is it just the stand as personally I prefer the 750 look!
 
Cleeecooo said:
i'm a monitor n00b

Only reason i want a 950 is because of the stand :D

With DP, can you use one DP output on a gfx card for all 3 monitors? I was under the impression they could be daisy chained?
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Yes this is one of the features of DisplayPort 1.2. And don't worry about being a 'monitor n00b' as you said. I was too once upon a time. ;)

Kraven said:
Is there any decent reviews out for these?

Also sorry if this has been answered what is the actual difference between the 750 and the 950? Is it just the stand as personally I prefer the 750 look!
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It has been answered, several times - but this thread is massive so no problem for not spotting it. As Cleeecooo pointed out only the '950' has DVI-D whereas for the '750' you would have to use DisplayPort for 120Hz output (as HDMI won't support it at the moment). The other differences are aesthetic and possibly some differences in the Ultra Clear Panel screen surface as well. Aside from this it is difficult to say if the panels will actually 'act' the same as Samsung has proven that their similar monitors (SA350 and SA550, XL2370 and PX2370 for example) actually give quite different image quality. The '950' has a tight fitting stand design which puts a lot of stress on the bottom of the monitor during manufacture. This gives a relatively high likelyhood of excess backlight bleed-through in this region. Your average '750' may well be better in that regard.

The reason the differences aren't well document is the same reason there are no good UK reviews yet. Samsung hasn't been able to supply review samples yet due to very iffy availability in the UK at the moment. I am making it my mission over the next few weeks to get ahold of an S27A750 by any means possible. This will allow comparison of the screen surface with a member of the '950' series I have already used and generally give a better idea of what to expect and how to go about setting it up etc.
 
PCM2 said:
Yes this is one of the features of DisplayPort 1.2. And don't worry about being a 'monitor n00b' as you said. I was too once upon a time. ;)



It has been answered, several times - but this thread is massive so no problem for not spotting it. As Cleeecooo pointed out only the '950' has DVI-D whereas for the '750' you would have to use DisplayPort for 120Hz output (as HDMI won't support it at the moment). The other differences are aesthetic and possibly some differences in the Ultra Clear Panel screen surface as well. Aside from this it is difficult to say if the panels will actually 'act' the same as Samsung has proven that their similar monitors (SA350 and SA550, XL2370 and PX2370 for example) actually give quite different image quality. The '950', for example, has a tight fitting stand design which puts a lot of stress on the bottom of the monitor during manufacture. This gives a relatively high likelyhood of excess backlight bleed-through in this region. Your average '750' may well be better in that regard.

The reason the differences aren't well document is the same reason there are no good UK reviews yet. Samsung hasn't been able to supply review samples yet due to very iffy availability in the UK at the moment. I am making it my mission over the next few weeks to get ahold of an S27A750 by any means possible. This will allow comparison of the screen surface with a member of the '950' series I have already used and generally give a better idea of what to expect and how to go about setting it up etc.
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I'm planning to get 2 750D's and a 950D. Will that work properly? Gaming only, well some movies :p

Also, how excatly does the daisy chaining work?

EDIT: http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-165-SA
10+ in stock :D:p
 
Sorry I should mention that to Daisy Chain these monitors (as they only have 1 DisplayPort each) you would need something called an MST (Multi-Stream Transport) hub as mentioned here on page 6 onwards. I think your GPU (it must be good if you want 3 of these monitors right? ;)) you should be able to connect all monitors directly for an Eyefinity setup without worrying about a Daisy Chain. I am assuming you are planning to use 2x DisplayPort (for the SA750) and 1x DVI-D (for the 950)?

Given the possible differences highlighted above and the fact that individual units always vary somewhat it may be tricky to get each screen looking identical. Many people use far less-well matched monitors in surround and there is no physical reason why this wouldn't work.

As for them being in stock. That is fantastic! I checked earlier today and couldn't see any. I am going to try to see if I can source some by other means first but I will certainly keen OcUK's stock in mind. That's very good to see.
 
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