New system for my lad

[Ramracer99]

Hi all, not put a rig together for years so totally out of the loop .

I have specd this system , and need some constructive advice .

My lad will mainly play
FPS type games

Also game such as totally epic battle simulator , rag doll type game , which can be quite consuming on load I would guess when he chucks in lots of units .


This is the spec of build

1 X OcUK Gaming Khopesh - AMD Ryzen 7 7700X RTX 4070 Ti Super Gaming PC - £2,049.98
SKU: FS-124-OG

• 1 x Kolink Observatory Y Mesh ARGB Midi Tower Gaming Case - Black Window
• 1 x Build Stock AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Eight Core 4.9GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Tr
• 1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C36BBEK2-32)
• 1 x Kolink Umbra Void AIO 360mm Performance ARGB CPU Water Cooler
• 1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 TI Super Trinity Black 16Gb Graphics Card
• 1 x WD Black SN770 1TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3X0E)
• 1 x Build Stock Microsoft Windows 11 Home Advanced - Systems

He current runs a lg G6 curved monitor .

Any advice willingly and gratefully appreciated .

 

[Ramracer99]

Hi Gary thank you for the reply ,

I was trying to add the x3d but OC system would not let me !

I would also add I was trying to get it built , and delivered ready , as I said been a while since putting a system together , never mind remembering how to even boot into bios , or using dos commands :-/


But I appreciate the saving that comes with diy build , just worried I would get it wrong, hence using the pre built route .

Edit : what about ram speed and also getting the black wd2tb ssd

 

[Ramracer99]

Do be aware that AMD are launching new CPUs - the 9000 series - imminently and that high-end GPUs from Nvidia may appear late this year. Also Intel’s new GPUs are in the offing with that performance tier expected.

Yes I did note that there new chips due between 8-13 August, which will bring down existing chip price and also offer new tech , is this worth the wait , ?

 

[Ramracer99]

If you have the parts you want you can always give OCUK a call to ask them to build it for you.

There will be a cost, I think someone tried to do this and was costing £300 (May vary so don't take that as the cost)

Thanks I did consider this !

 

[Ramracer99]

This.

Judging from the above the spec I listed would still work out about the same price as the prebuild but offer a better spec.

That said, building yourself really isn't that difficult now but I do appreciate the concerns when dealing with such expensive equipment. You don't need to fiddle with dos or anything anymore either, the whole process is very streamlined and Windows pretty much installs itself.

I have never heard / seen windows ever doing anything itself that well

 

[Ramracer99]

Thanks for that, weir’s how it was not working ? Thought it may have been a compatibility issue or something ! And yeah -25 as well .

Explained to my son to wait two weeks , or so, so will wait on the chip set coming out I think . Hopefully not massively more expensive .

 

[Ramracer99]

It's pretty much a case of putting it on a USB stick using an automated tool, and then letting it do its thing for half an hour or so.

Bios options don't need to be messed with much either tbh, at most you might need to set EXPO or XMP (Automatically sets ram speeds/timings to what the set is rated for) but a lot of the more complicated things of the past are streamlined and largely automated.

You don't need to worry about dodgy motherboard switches/headers anymore either, or setting storage drives to slave etc. Cable management is much, much easier in modern cases too, especially with a modular PSU.

Thanks gray , that’s interesting to know , I’m still a little hesitant about doing the build and messing it up somehow , as my lad has done lots of car boot sales to save half the money ,

Edit: so what’s on the usb just opsys, how does it get onto usb or do you buy preloaded ?

 

[Ramracer99]

You go to the Microsoft site and download the Windows 10 or 11 ISO creation tool (depending what OS you want to use)

Windows 11 download page - https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11
Windows 10 download page - https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

Once the file is downloaded from the above link follow the steps on screen and it will download the ISO and create a bootable USB stick

Once done boot from the USB stick and then follow the on screen prompts. The only things it really asks for is your regional details, what version of Windows you want (Home\Pro) and then once the install is done it will ask you to login to a Microsoft account.

If you wish to create a local account follow the steps below, I am unsure if this still works though.

How to Install and Log In to Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account

Maintain only a local account on your Windows 11 PC.

www.tomshardware.com

Thanks Ed 209, I guess “I’ll buy that for a dollar “

Or hopefully in our case I have Microsoft 365 account , mainly due to me running Macs currently , will this complicate it , or should it be ok to do the above via my iMac ?

 

[Ramracer99]

I do have a boot camp partition which allows me to run windows , so hopefully download it when using bootcamp ?

 

[Ramracer99]

Building a pc is non trivial imo. You are best watching a bunch of YouTube vids. Then plan. Examine parts carefully. Dry run. Allow plenty of time.
I found it quite stressful.

Yes I remember doing my first tower , it was a bit stressful and done exactly that .

But I do think building it would work out cheaper , but it is the concern of making a mistake that concerns me .

 

[Ramracer99]

When I built a PC for my son for his birthday I got him to build it while I supervised him.

Got him involved and hopefully get him to learn about computers at the same time.

I’m not so sure at ten he will have the patience , but it would definitely be interesting for us both ,

 

[Ramracer99]

You could save a fair chunk of money or simply end up with a better system if you built it yourself, while ensuring quality components.

For example:

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £109.99
• 1 x Asus TUF Gaming 850W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-060-AS) = £99.95
• 1 x Asrock B650M PG Riptide (Socket AM5) DDR5 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-18Y-AK) = £159.98
• 1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C38 6000MHz Dual Channel Ki (SKU: MY-0AT-TG) = £98.00
• 1 x Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB Dual Tower CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02721) = £36.94
• 1 x Aerocool Dryft Mini v2 Micro-ATX Case (SKU: CAS-AER-00607) = £55.00
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £329.99
• 1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 TI Super Trinity Black 16Gb Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-ZTC-01497) = £799.99
• 1 x NVIDIA - Black Myth: Wukong Standard Edition Game Bundle (SKU: DIG-NVI-02698) = £0.00

Total: £1,689.84 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

The 7800X3D is a superior gaming CPU to the 7700X, faster RAM, excellent power supply (OCUK tend to put poor quality Kolink PSU's in their systems), larger SSD.

You can pick up Windows keys for a tenner, or alternatively run without a licence with minor functionality loss.

A higher end GPU is also viable with the savings, a 7900XTX or 4080S etc.

That said, there are new processors releasing in a few weeks so waiting might be best.

Thanks I like the look of this , looks good , is ram listed optimal , or is there better options ?

Thanks for the post

 

[Ramracer99]

If your lad plays call of duty then take a look at an amd card, cod tends to prefer them over nvidia as the game was designed around consoles and amd build the ps5 chips.

7800x3d and a 7900xtx eat cod alive. Discounting ray tracing which is not applicable in FPS games really the 7900xtx is faster in most titles v a 4080 never mind a 4070

Thanks Ben , yes he does play cod , and Fortnite and also other games with high graphic / memory processing like ragdoll type sims , but envisage him loving to slightly more pc based fps , so want to future proof . From the limited reading I have done , the intel has not sounded as appealing as the amd chips and also been leaning more towards the Radeon over the nvidia …

Generally our budget will be around max 2 k for this ,

May I ask what people thoughts are on the 32” curved Samsung odyssey g6 monitor , is this something considered decent .

 

[Ramracer99]

If going for an AMD GPU either of these would fit into your budget:

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Powercolor Radeon RX 7900 XT HellHound 20GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-1AR-PC) = £659.99
• 1 x Asrock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-013-AK) = £869.99

Total: £1,529.98 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

Both would work very well, obviously the 7900XTX is faster, I'd recommend looking at some reviews and decide on whether the XTX is worth another £200 to you or not.

Thanks gray much appreciated , I will have at look at these .

 

[Ramracer99]

It’s a nice monitor. A 7900xtx will get the full 240fps on high settings at 1440p on cod

I have a 7800x3d and 7900xtx myself and get 220-260 fps with all settings near enough maxed out.

32 inches is generally considered quite large for competitive fps gaming. Most pro players use 24-28 inch monitors. They sit relatively close and don’t have to move their eyes as much so therefore reaction times are ever so slightly better as targets will be in their field of view the whole time. They’re not scanning a bigger area looking for someone to shoot at

Ok understood , currently he plays only for fun so , as he was using a ps5 , we got him something bigger although I don’t the the ps5 can utilise monitors full capability , as he does play other games but on reflection , after using it myself , I did not it is a lot to cover with your eyes , and felt perhaps we should have went flat particularly if we were going to dual monitor at some point . But hey ho you live and learn .

 

[Ramracer99]

If you’ve already bought the monitor then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it at all it’s a nice screen. You are spot on with your assumption that the ps5 is not utilising the screen. Not even close

I jumped from a ps5 back to PC last year with the 7900xtx and the jump was very noticeable.

I just assumed part of the reason for the upgrade was you were getting nagged so he could get better at the games through better performance hence the mention of pro players. Gaming should always be fun

No not really at that stage with it yet , though he is better than me at it as my reflexes are getting on a bit , more of a quake guy

But yes we have the monitor already so that is staying for now , but in the future that may change ,

Just really trying overall to future proof the whole package so it last a couple of years and is not overwhelmed to quickly

 

[Ramracer99]

No not really at that stage with it yet , though he is better than me at it as my reflexes are getting on a bit , more of a quake guy

But yes we have the monitor already so that is staying for now , but in the future that may change ,

Just really trying overall to future proof the whole package so it last a couple of years and is not overwhelmed to quickly

Thanks gray much appreciated , I will have at look at these .

Hi gray, I have been doing a bit of review watching of the proposed new zen 5 ryzens 9900, and from what little I have the ability to discern , do you think ( as you seem to know about these things) it is worth for the ipc proposed increase of 16% just for gaming load ?

Happy to spend the money , just considering if actually having seen some purported benchmarks , if the lad will benefit from this v the additional expense they will have won them , v the reduction (hopefully) to some of the above listed cpus.


As if not really the money could be better spent on other elements for the tower ?
Thank you in advance

 

[Ramracer99]

Hi gray, I have been doing a bit of review watching of the proposed new zen 5 ryzens 9900, and from what little I have the ability to discern , do you think ( as you seem to know about these things) it is worth for the ipc proposed increase of 16% just for gaming load ?

Happy to spend the money , just considering if actually having seen some purported benchmarks , if the lad will benefit from this v the additional expense they will have won them , v the reduction (hopefully) to some of the above listed cpus.


As if not really the money could be better spent on other elements for the tower ?
Thank you in advance

Bump **

Any update on the new cpus as of yet, from what I have seen not much worth spending the extra money, we have waited for release , but only really seen the gaming nexus reviews on the 9900 9950 , not really that brilliant .

We are planning ton ordering everything this weekend .

 

[Ramracer99]

Thanks I like the look of this , looks good , is ram listed optimal , or is there better options ?

Thanks for the post

Regarding the above , why would you go with the micro tower ?

Also may I ask please is cooling listed going to be more than enough, we had considered liquid cooled .

 

[Ramracer99]

You could save a fair chunk of money or simply end up with a better system if you built it yourself, while ensuring quality components.

For example:

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £109.99
• 1 x Asus TUF Gaming 850W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-060-AS) = £99.95
• 1 x Asrock B650M PG Riptide (Socket AM5) DDR5 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-18Y-AK) = £159.98
• 1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C38 6000MHz Dual Channel Ki (SKU: MY-0AT-TG) = £98.00
• 1 x Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB Dual Tower CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02721) = £36.94
• 1 x Aerocool Dryft Mini v2 Micro-ATX Case (SKU: CAS-AER-00607) = £55.00
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £329.99
• 1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 TI Super Trinity Black 16Gb Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-ZTC-01497) = £799.99
• 1 x NVIDIA - Black Myth: Wukong Standard Edition Game Bundle (SKU: DIG-NVI-02698) = £0.00

Total: £1,689.84 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

The 7800X3D is a superior gaming CPU to the 7700X, faster RAM, excellent power supply (OCUK tend to put poor quality Kolink PSU's in their systems), larger SSD.

You can pick up Windows keys for a tenner, or alternatively run without a licence with minor functionality loss.

A higher end GPU is also viable with the savings, a 7900XTX or 4080S etc.

That said, there are new processors releasing in a few weeks so waiting might be best.

Hi gray we have been going through this list this evening, would recommend any further tower cooling for this spec , or would this do ? As I said bit of a nOOb at this these days .

Also anything else obvious missing , like braided cables

PCI card

Or is this everything you would need to get started other than opsys, the only thing we changed was ram .. to the fury

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