Newcastle new sponsers?

[Gilly]

I'm basing it on my personal experiences. What would you have me base it on?

I'm an admin and in no way speak for the shop. I'm not in the employ of the business, and unless I'm doing something related to my admin role am a member of the forum and subject to the same rules, which I do not believe I have broken. Have you seen Geordie shore?

I like how you've contrasted my opinion with your own opinion and think it superior. Thats nice

PS I've checked but can't see where I used the word thick.

 

[EvilFranky]

I'm basing it on my personal experiences. What would you have me base it on?

I'm an admin and in no way speak for the shop. I'm not in the employ of the business, and unless I'm doing something related to my admin role am a member of the forum and subject to the same rules, which I do not believe I have broken. Have you seen Geordie shore?

I like how you've contrasted my opinion with your own opinion and think it superior. Thats nice

PS I've checked but can't see where I used the word thick.

Your opinion is born of complete ignorance. You have nothing substantial to quantify your conclusion that the majority of people in Newcastle are unintelligent...knowing a couple of people and having met a few unintelligent 'Geordies' does in no way make it any more substantial.

My statement is based on the basic assumption that any given area of the planet can not solely produce unintelligent variants of our species.

 

[EvilFranky]

To add to the original post...

1. Why was nothing made of Blackpool and Hearts being sponsored by the same company?

2. What's the difference between having Virgin Money or Wonga as a sponsor, they both do the same thing to an extent...lend people money for profit.

3. Why the moral high ground when we have other teams sponsored by alcohol manufacturers, which arguably creates more problems and effects more people than debt?

Typically it'll be just because it's Newcastle United.

*EDIT* - I would also like to add gambling companies to point number 3. The amount of gambling outlets has become a modern day plague in this country.

 

[No1newts]

Is it? Why?

It's the equivalent of me saying that, because I know a fair few thick Yorkshire folk that all people from Yorkshire are stupid. I knew a lad who went to jail for theft from Liverpool, are all scousers thieves? Are all Muslims terrorists? Are all Londoners arrogant, cockney geezer *******?

Because you know 1 or 2 people from an area who are of a type doesn't typecast a whole area. Ok people might think such garbage and be that ignorant but staring that as your basis for your point is baffling.

 

[FTM]

newcastle has high levels of deprivation, but even the worst areas and in a better state than the inner city areas of some of britains other larger cities

and for every geordie shore there is a TOWIE or some other reality show that highlights the stupidity of people who want to be on TV not the general population

(mind theres 52000 idiots turn up every other week in the city centre)

 

[EvilFranky]

newcastle has high levels of deprivation, but even the worst areas and in a better state than the inner city areas of some of britains other larger cities

and for every geordie shore there is a TOWIE or some other reality show that highlights the stupidity of people who want to be on TV not the general population

(mind theres 52000 idiots turn up every other week in the city centre)

Well at least it's at capacity

 

[Gilly]

It's the equivalent of me saying that, because I know a fair few thick Yorkshire folk that all people from Yorkshire are stupid. I knew a lad who went to jail for theft from Liverpool, are all scousers thieves? Are all Muslims terrorists? Are all Londoners arrogant, cockney geezer *******?

Because you know 1 or 2 people from an area who are of a type doesn't typecast a whole area. Ok people might think such garbage and be that ignorant but staring that as your basis for your point is baffling.

I didn't say all people from Newcastle, so it isn't even slightly comparable to any of the statements you made.

The people I know are normal. They aren't the ones that are 'of a type' as you put it. It's the myriad mouth breathers and general moronic inbreds I've heard about from them and met through them that I'm talking about.

 

[BaZ87]

To add to the original post...

1. Why was nothing made of Blackpool and Hearts being sponsored by the same company?

2. What's the difference between having Virgin Money or Wonga as a sponsor, they both do the same thing to an extent...lend people money for profit.

3. Why the moral high ground when we have other teams sponsored by alcohol manufacturers, which arguably creates more problems and effects more people than debt?

Typically it'll be just because it's Newcastle United.

*EDIT* - I would also like to add gambling companies to point number 3. The amount of gambling outlets has become a modern day plague in this country.

1. Newcastle are a much bigger/higher profile club than either of those clubs so it's naturally going to attract more attention. When the allegations were made about Standard Chartered hiding transactions in and out of Iran there were plenty of questions raised about Liverpool's sponsorship with them too.

2. There's a massive difference between Virgin and Wonga. Nobody with a brain cell would use a company like Wonga unless they absolutely had to. Preying on the desperation of the poorest people in a community and charging them extortionate amounts of interest is very different to a regular bank lending money.

3. There's definitely an argument to be made regarding alcohol, gambling and various other sponsors but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this deal seems a little closer to home. It's being suggested that Newcastle have been targeted specifically by Wonga due to the economic hardship in the North East. As I heard one person say (or words to this effect), the richest men in Newcastle are going to promote a company that hopes to profit from the financial difficulties of the poorest people in their community. I also heard somebody on the radio raise another point; could you see Mike Ashley, Pardew or any of the Newcastle squad buying a pint, placing a bet or banking with Barclays, Virgin etc? Then ask yourself whether you could see Ashley, Pardew or a member of the member of the Newcastle squad ever using a company like Wonga.

 

[EvilFranky]

1. Newcastle are a much bigger/higher profile club than either of those clubs so it's naturally going to attract more attention. When the allegations were made about Standard Chartered hiding transactions in and out of Iran there were plenty of questions raised about Liverpool's sponsorship with them too.

2. There's a massive difference between Virgin and Wonga. Nobody with a brain cell would use a company like Wonga unless they absolutely had to. Preying on the desperation of the poorest people in a community and charging them extortionate amounts of interest is very different to a regular bank lending money.

3. There's definitely an argument to be made regarding alcohol, gambling and various other sponsors but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this deal seems a little closer to home. It's being suggested that Newcastle have been targeted specifically by Wonga due to the economic hardship in the North East. As I heard one person say (or words to this effect), the richest men in Newcastle are going to promote a company that hopes to profit from the financial difficulties of the poorest people in their community. I also heard somebody on the radio raise another point; could you see Mike Ashley, Pardew or any of the Newcastle squad buying a pint, placing a bet or banking with Barclays, Virgin etc? Then ask yourself whether you could see Ashley, Pardew or a member of the member of the Newcastle squad ever using a company like Wonga.

1. It's a reason but it's not an excuse to suddenly kick up a stink just because it's a higher profile club. It's the same whether it was Real Madrid or Blyth Spartans. So my point of it being just because it's Newcastle United seems appropriate here.

2. That's not Wongas fault. They are offering a service to those that require it if needs must. They only offer short term loans so they couldn't operate unless the APR was high enough to make a profit. What's the difference in Virgin offering mortgages over 25 year making an absolute killing in the process vs Wonga doing small loans over the space of a month? Mortgages are far more of a rip-off given the accrued interest over the course of the loan. Surely banks should be giving out normal loans for homes then? Please though if you could explain the difference that I am missing...

3. I get what you are trying to say about the 3 amigos using Wonga, but that's also like me applying for an American Express Platinum card...2 totally different products targeting 2 different audiences. But I see adverts from AMEX aired on everyday TV channels that we are all subjected too. In fact all forms of credit should be viewed in the same light as Wonga as they are no different. Plenty of credit cards around that will happily provide pretty much any one with their service, even more so before the economic downturn. And for all the morons that have used Wonga to fund an extra night out and not been able to pay it back, I bet there equal measures where the ability to get a very short term instant cash loan has been of immeasurable help for those that have used the service responsibly...when their banks of 10, 20, 30+ years have turned a blind eye.

 

[BaZ87]

1. It's not because it's Newcastle it's because it's a high profile club. It's not an excuse but it's the reality.

2. Drug dealers are also offering a service that some people believe they need too. Wonga (and all these type of companies) claim to be offering a service to financially secure people that might have a one off requirement (the extra night out as you put it) just before payday - we have credit cards and overdrafts for these things though. The reality is that Wonga target people that are desperate and have serious financial problems - Wonga (or similar) aren't the answer to these people's problems.

In all honesty, I can't see any reason why these companies are allowed to trade. They offer nothing that isn't already available to people at a fraction of the cost and only add to people suffering extreme financial problems.

3. I understand what you're saying about different target markets but I'm not sure it's relevant to the point made. Football clubs are (meant to be anyway) part of their community yet Newcastle are going to profit from and promote a company that is going to profit from the financial hardship of their own community and in many cases, their own supporters. The counter to that would be that betting/alcohol sponsors (and there is a case to be made against them) also profit from gambling/alcohol problems - however I'd guestimate that a far higher proportion of people that gamble or drink do so responsibly than Wonga's customers. Furthermore you can see anybody from the owner of the football club right down to it's supporters buying a drink or placing the odd bet - it's only going to be the very poorest Newcastle supporters that will use Wonga.

edit: I should probably add that my idiot of a younger brother once racked up a few hundred pounds worth of debt with Wonga (and similar) the other year. Despite not working at the time (and therefore now way of repaying the money), he could just phone up and within minutes had £50,60,70 (or whatever he borrowed) to pay for a new xbox game or a night out with his friends. Luckily for him, I paid it off. Not everybody has an amazing brother like me though

 

[FrankJH]

I could say the exact same from my experience of London, in fact it was a worse experience in 1 day than my entire lifetime in Newcastle...

To be fair a visitor in most places will always feel this way compared to their own home "town", doesnt mean its actually any more or any less (not that its easily quantifiable)

Even though I have lived in London for a number of years its not my "home" and I dont think it ever will be - so dont think Im defending the place for that reason, its just a reasoned outlook

back on topic - glad to see its back to being called St James's Park, although Wonga is just as bad as having betting firms on shirts imo (they have just as much right as any other company to be there, but just as Barca had Unicef - in a positive light, imo Wonga or betting companies are ....unfortunate sponsorships to be taking)

 

[unclelonghair]

Apparently the Newcastle Utd squad are upset about the new Wonga shirt sponsorship. But Alan Pardew told them it's not important, as long as they just get out on the pitch and give 4,175 percent.