I could only imagine hes an absolute god in training, he probably makes beats Martins for pace, duff/milner for dribbling and shows emre up on corners and free kicks, probably taught Tim Krul and Shay Given all they know! He must be the best defender in the world when training!Jofujofu said:I'd love for someone to explain why Titus "I am the oppositions 12th man" Bramble gets a game? Manager after manager continue to play him when he makes mistake after mistake. Has he got a "Play when fit" clause in his contract?
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Hlebio said:Oh don't worry, you'll give us a right game, like you always do, beat us and that'll be your season lit.
Inevitable.
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I think we've only beaten you once in the last 10 years or so? The game at Highbury with Robert, O'Brien and Shearer scoring.
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I dont't think you can say Owen was a waste of money, granted he picks up his fair share of injuries but we needed a replacement for Shearer and Owen is perfect for that.
This season despite what all commentators, pundits etc. are saying the defence is not the problem, it's the fact that we are not scoring (due to the fact that we've lost Owen and Shearer). We've only conceded 2 more goals than Liverpool, but even just sees Bramble make a mistake on MOTD and says we have the worst defence in the Premiership.
We did try to get Woodgate but he said himself he wanted to go to the Smoggies (his hometown club).
Sacking Roeder isn't the correct option IMO. I agree with what's been said on nufc.com bringing in Curbishley or someone would give us another honeymoon period to get us up the table but it's not going to be good enough long term.
Personally, I can't see us being relegated. Once we get Dyer back (probably early December), Ameobi fully fit (about the same time), Martins fit (soon) we'll start scoring. Plus, in an ideal world we may have Owen back for the last month or so which should result in a few wins.
I'm not going to say much about the board but I don't think they are as bad as made out. I do think the fixture pile is their fault though.
Edit- I'd just like to say as well, I have a lot of respect for Glen Roeder, giving an interview after the Sheff Utd. game stating the fans have the right to complain, too bad Carr and Parker weren't there (they apparently clapped ironically and hearing shouts directed at them, although no-one knows for sure).
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A lot of good points in that post.
Look at the top teams in the Premiership at the moment and further afield to Europe. All have the foundation of a strong back four and a good quality goalkeeper. If you havent got the fire power to go out and win then you make it damn hard for the opposition to score. A good defence allows the more creative players in midfield to express themselves and create chances.
It was always a running joke in Football that Newcastle would let in 3 but score 4. Now they have dont have the firepower to make up for the shortcomings in defence.
I think I can, whats he done for you so far? Everyone knows he's a good player, but he's been injured since he signed pretty much, so how can you not say he's been a waste of money. He's out for another 6 months minimum and nobody can be sure he'll be as good as he once was when he returns.
I'm sure a few people already know my opinions from other threads but I don't think the situation is as grave as everyone makes out.
Pick any team outside the top 3 and take away their best player. Then take their top 2 forwards away. Then a couple of influential midfield players. Then their first team keeper (although Harper is very good still). See how they get on then.
I don't think Roeder or the chairman can be blamed for the results. Apart from Sheffield Utd the previous few results have not reflect the performances on the pitch. The lack of fowards highlighted again and again.
Likewise I think the defence gets undue stick (including Bramble). Every mistake he makes gets picked up on. That's not to say it shouldn't have been improved over the last few years because I believe it should have. The defence have done well over the last few games. Although why Baba plays is beyond me, he must have some videos of Shepherd up to something.
At Christmas I may change my mind but until then I won't be worrying to much. Especially not to the extent of sacking a manager.
but I don't think the situation is as grave as everyone makes out.Pick any team outside the top 3 and take away their best player. Then take their top 2 forwards away. Then a couple of influential midfield players. Then their first team keeper (although Harper is very good still). See how they get on then.
I don't think Roeder or the chairman can be blamed for the results. Apart from Sheffield Utd the previous few results have not reflect the performances on the pitch. The lack of fowards highlighted again and again.
Likewise I think the defence gets undue stick (including Bramble). Every mistake he makes gets picked up on. That's not to say it shouldn't have been improved over the last few years because I believe it should have. The defence have done well over the last few games. Although why Baba plays is beyond me, he must have some videos of Shepherd up to something.
At Christmas I may change my mind but until then I won't be worrying to much. Especially not to the extent of sacking a manager.
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Your right, the defence is the problem for Newcastle.
All the great teams, through whatever era a solid spine, and a solid basis. If you don't leak goals, you shouldn't lose games. It really is that simple.
What is Newcastles spine ?
Given - Great keeper, huge loss for you lot at the moment
Bramble - Joke
Moore - Not good enough
Emre - Good player, not physical enough
Parker - Would get into any team in the premiership if given a chance (bar Chelsea)
Ameobi - Woeful
Martins - Too early, doesn't look great at the moment though, but that could be due to the problems, I could see him shine in a consistant team.
Sort out the spine of the team, get a solid basis and you could be up near the top again. Until then, you don't have much chance unfortuantly.
It's a shame, as you Geordies have one of the top three fan bases in the Premiership.
All the great teams, through whatever era a solid spine, and a solid basis. If you don't leak goals, you shouldn't lose games. It really is that simple.
What is Newcastles spine ?
Given - Great keeper, huge loss for you lot at the moment
Bramble - Joke
Moore - Not good enough
Emre - Good player, not physical enough
Parker - Would get into any team in the premiership if given a chance (bar Chelsea)
Ameobi - Woeful
Martins - Too early, doesn't look great at the moment though, but that could be due to the problems, I could see him shine in a consistant team.
Sort out the spine of the team, get a solid basis and you could be up near the top again. Until then, you don't have much chance unfortuantly.
It's a shame, as you Geordies have one of the top three fan bases in the Premiership.
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I heard someone say on the radio about Martins supposed to be fast as someone said he can do 100 meteres in 11 seconds or summit, he says where do they get these ppl from, they weren't timing him with a stopwatch, they were using a ******* calendar. 
Jofujofu said:I'd love for someone to explain why Titus "I am the oppositions 12th man" Bramble gets a game? Manager after manager continue to play him when he makes mistake after mistake. Has he got a "Play when fit" clause in his contract?
Apart from that, we have two decent Geordie lads in Ramage and Taylor who never get a look in. They may not be great players (yet) but at least they love the club, and will give everything to get a result.
This is why I don't have a lot of sympathy for Roeder, he complains about defensive mistakes costing the side, but he persists with Bramble at the back. Surely it should be Moore and Taylor or something like that, heck even with injuries and suspensions he could give a youth-teamer a chance. OK so Moore isn't exactly a top-drawer player, but Newcastle are no longer a team challenging at the top of the table.
Then you have the situation up front.... with Owen injured, it's obvious to me that the two most talented forwards are Luque and Rossi. People like to bemoan Luque but has he actually been given a proper run in the side without getting injured or dropped? I'd be very suprised if he's started 5 games in a row.
Midfield is the only area of the team (Given aside) which looks like it belongs in the top half of the table. Parker, Duff, Solano, N'Zogbia, Emre, Dyer are all decent players, Milner has potential, and Butt/Sibierski have experience. The defence is as suspect as always, and Shearer's retirement coupled with Owen's injury has left a gaping hole up front.
newcastle ned to sign at least 2 defenders in the window, and if money is left over then buy a striker.
The problem is simplythe leaky back four and also confidence at the moment.
I said in another thread somebody like Lucas Neil, he is on a free in the summer so should be available for peanuts and can do a job for Newcastle, then bring in someone to play alongside him at the bank with experience and ability (maybe someone on loan like Silvestre) and i think you'd pretty much have a decent back four.
Add to that a physical striker to play alongside martins (I would say Rossi but I dont think roeder will give him a fair go in the side when otehrs are fit) and then see whathappens, a couple of wins would also do conifidence the world of good.
The problem is simplythe leaky back four and also confidence at the moment.
I said in another thread somebody like Lucas Neil, he is on a free in the summer so should be available for peanuts and can do a job for Newcastle, then bring in someone to play alongside him at the bank with experience and ability (maybe someone on loan like Silvestre) and i think you'd pretty much have a decent back four.
Add to that a physical striker to play alongside martins (I would say Rossi but I dont think roeder will give him a fair go in the side when otehrs are fit) and then see whathappens, a couple of wins would also do conifidence the world of good.
Read this about Roeder today;
At Gillingham,Watford and West Ham he took each team to seventh in the league,and then each were relegated the following season.. Newcastle finished 7th last yr
Not wanting to gloat at all,but this present situation was predicted by a lot of the 'pool fans and a fair few others, the second that Souness was unveiled as manager.
At Gillingham,Watford and West Ham he took each team to seventh in the league,and then each were relegated the following season.. Newcastle finished 7th last yr
Not wanting to gloat at all,but this present situation was predicted by a lot of the 'pool fans and a fair few others, the second that Souness was unveiled as manager.
Dtab said:Read this about Roeder today;
At Gillingham,Watford and West Ham he took each team to seventh in the league,and then each were relegated the following season.. Newcastle finished 7th last yr
Not wanting to gloat at all,but this present situation was predicted by a lot of the 'pool fans and a fair few others, the second that Souness was unveiled as manager.
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