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If it's poloris we can expect 290x performance.
a 290x will play games such as dark souls 3 perfectly fine at 4k high end settings at 30fps. Perfectly playable.

Not a bad idea.
for games where 4k won't be possible they just reduce the resslightly till it does 30fps at 4k...
 
karik666 said:
Is it correct that the xbox scorpio isnt gonna be released for another 18 months ?
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correct, december 2017, and mostly because of content, they need Devs to make content on it before they release it, same with NintendoNX supposed to be H1 2017.
PS4 Neo on the other hand could come much sooner, im guessing the end of this year, they have much more content, and they can just release it with PSVR rumored to be around october.
and sony seemed to have had this console upgrade way before, and when microsoft learned about it, phil spencer rushed to announce the console upgrade plans for xbox, but they were clearly cut off guard on this by sony, explains why weeks after spencer announcement, leaks about sony guide lines to Devs for PS4 neo started showing, they were working on it since the beginning of the year, maybe earlier.
 
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yes most games on consoles will be 30fps anyway. so likely xbox scorpio will be ok to run at 4k or at least run at 1440p and upscale to 4k .
 
jommy999 said:
yes most games on consoles will be 30fps anyway. so likely xbox scorpio will be ok to run at 4k or at least run at 1440p and upscale to 4k .
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Same thoughts, they will HAVE to lock most games at 30fps and even then it will probably get dips into the low 20's in demanding titles.

No way they will have 60fps as the frame rate will fluctuate all over the place during heavy action.

On the plus side, maybe since consoles are adopting 4k now this will help GPU's get much more powerful more quickly.
 
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December 2017? Isn't it a bit odd to be announcing it NOW? I'm not sure I really get the timing of this... 18 months is a HUGE amount of time in the tech world. PC's will have moved on immeasurably by then... 4K 120Hz, 21:9 at 144Hz no doubt, HBM2 cards etc. Strikes me that Scorpio perhaps won't be as relevant and exciting come release, although the console fan boys will lap it up no doubt! Easy to talk up the exciting future when it's so far away.

Interesting though, if it's even half as powerful as they claim, it may shame quite a few PC gamers still stubbornly sat at 1080p on crappy TN monitors. ;)
 
Legend said:
December 2017? Isn't it a bit odd to be announcing it NOW? I'm not sure I really get the timing of this... 18 months is a HUGE amount of time in the tech world. PC's will have moved on immeasurably by then... 4K 120Hz, 21:9 at 144Hz no doubt, HBM2 cards etc. Strikes me that Scorpio perhaps won't be as relevant and exciting come release, although the console fan boys will lap it up no doubt! Easy to talk up the exciting future when it's so far away.

Interesting though, if it's even half as powerful as they claim, it may shame quite a few PC gamers still stubbornly sat at 1080p on crappy TN monitors. ;)
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exactly because they are late to the party that they announce it this soon, and microsoft was hoping for sony to announce theirs this E3 to jump start comparaison about spec difference because scorpio should be 30% faster than ps4 neo.
i watched sony conference, the line up is insane though, it was one of the best E3 conferences iv seen, too many exclusive and quite few new IPs.
 
I had a chuckle at Scorpio and its 6 Tflops 4k 60fps gaming with all the bells and whistles. I love Microsoft.

1080 is past 8 Tflops now, god knows what its going to be by Christmas next year. I call shenanigans on this one from MS.
 
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Defiant306 said:
I had a chuckle at Scorpio and its 6 Tflops 4k 60fps gaming with all the bells and whistles. I love Microsoft.

1080 is past 8 Tflops now, god knows what its going to be by Christmas next year. I'm call shenanigans on this one from MS.
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its an out and out lie tbh as even the 1080 struggles in some current games to crack a steady 60fps, bet it ends up being another upscale jobby like the neo.
 
phenx said:
I have to admit these upgraded consoles have gotten me a little more interested in consoles again, hopefully their performance claims are true.
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Same here, There's a lot PS4 titles that I would like to play and I was considering getting a Playstation but now I'll wait for the upgraded model as it'll mean a cheaper current model if nothing else.
 
It's an interesting move by Microsoft teasing the Scorpio, and will take out some of the wind from Sony's announcements. If they can pull off 60 fps @ 4K and windows 10 integration it'll be amazing.

It's a long way off thought ...
 
This is likely the biggest scam/lie to hit gaming in history, think about it. The 1080 still isnt a 4K 60FPS card and its £525 at its cheapest

How are they going to make a 4K console affordable? They cant, its not possible. It'll upscale and be lucky to run at 30FPS, they'll plaster it with 4K marketing and console fans will lap it up
 
Good lawd people comparing a 1080 to console level... Your forgetting most games are developed on the console first then ported to pc. Games are no where near as optimised on pc as they are on console so thats where all the wasted horse power goes. And as for 1080 not doing games at 1080p 60 fps
Which games and what settings? Consoles are not going to be doing max settings all bells and wistles on a graphical level.

Personally I think using the extra horsepower and doing 1080p 60 with better graphics on console would be better but they are reaching for 4k so you dont have to beleive it but they are doing it..
 
Yup, in general the console architecture of being locked down, significantly more control of the hardware and software and significantly more optimisation than on PC means you'll get way more for 6Tflops on a console than on a PC... however... PC games look better than console games.

Everyone likes to say dumb things like a 1080 can't get 60fps at 4k, yes it can, so can a 290x. You can't at max settings but console has never matched PC max settings in graphics in the first place. You go to medium/low settings on 99% of games and a current roughly high end graphics card can provide 60fps at 4k pretty easily.Even for PC, for the most part you can turn down 2-3 settings, increase performance 10-30% maybe and have very very little IQ difference.

Hell, I have no idea why but I was playing a couple older Assassin's Creed games again, AC3 plays like utter crap still today on a 5920k and a overclocked 290 at max settings, like drops into the 30s in the biggest towns, reduce a couple of settings and it's at 100-144fps range most of the time and there is nearly no visual impact. Just a couple badly optimised higher detail shadows that are barely noticeable. PC gamers, or enthusiasts who focus on FPS comparing, seem to care more about maxing every setting regardless of the performance cost vs IQ gain, ignoring some settings which reduce IQ yet cost performance. Console gamers don't care about it in as much as they don't get the choice making it easier for them to not care. If they got the choice many would turn up settings then complain about performance.

That is another reason consoles feel better for their given hardware, they have one piece of hardware and one setting to optimise for. In lets say AC3 you might have medium, high and very high shadow settings, and 3 generations of AMD and Nvidia cards with different performance, different efficiency and different potential issues with all three settings. That is a lot of work to optimise and fix any problems, that is 18 combinations and that is before you think about Intel gpus and there is probably more than 3 gens per vendor anyway. On the console you pick a single shadows setting, you design it specifically for the hardware, the amount of memory available, you optimise heavily and focus all the time and effort on that one thing to get it right.

Taking a Xbox One and giving it over 4 times the gpu power, it's honestly absurd to think they can't do pretty damn well with that.
 
ToTheMax said:
It's an interesting move by Microsoft teasing the Scorpio, and will take out some of the wind from Sony's announcements. If they can pull off 60 fps @ 4K and windows 10 integration it'll be amazing.

It's a long way off thought ...
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In a console? HAHA! I'll have some of what you're taking please.
 
Relentless81 said:
This is likely the biggest scam/lie to hit gaming in history, think about it. The 1080 still isnt a 4K 60FPS card and its £525 at its cheapest

How are they going to make a 4K console affordable? They cant, its not possible. It'll upscale and be lucky to run at 30FPS, they'll plaster it with 4K marketing and console fans will lap it up
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the 1080 optimized would run 4k on console fine.so many dont understand the optimization that could be done.a 1070 which is already integrated in a buy one motherboard with chip as i shown would run 4k 30 fps all day on all games.

tweak optimize the games it would probably get 40-50 fps.

remember sony or whoever do a mass deal they could fit in a 1080 mobile chip and still sell a 4k console at silly money and people would buy it. also factor in the gpu prices of the 1080 in the next 1-3 months will drop probably another £100 alone. people dont think of the bigger picture.

its not how much the gpu costs you it is what they can make in profit overall. they could do it and a big power gpu if they want 4k consoles will go in it.
 
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the 1080 optimized would run 4k on console fine.so many dont understand the optimization that could be done.a 1070 which is already integrated in a buy one motherboard with chip as i shown would run 4k 30 fps all day on all games.

tweak optimize the games it would probably get 40-50 fps.

remember sony or whoever do a mass deal they could fit in a 1080 mobile chip and still sell a 4k console at silly money and people would buy it. also factor in the gpu prices of the 1080 in the next 1-3 months will drop probably another £100 alone. people dont think of the bigger picture.

its not how much the gpu costs you it is what they can make in profit overall. they could do it and a big power gpu if they want 4k consoles will go in it.
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Dude they are NOT using 1070 or 1080 period.....its AMD APU - in both - again Nvidia burned their bridges with both Sony and MS on consoles and Nvidia has never been in the running with Nintendo as they've come back several times they are extremely happy with what AMD has given them.

Stop with the nonsense. Second all three consoles will be aligning with x86 cpus - Nvidia can not make x86 socket.......AMD can; only other is Intel. Intel isn't interested in the consoles and they can't actually write graphic drivers to save their lives.......

Now lets stop the with they can use 1070; because they're not.....

Second 1080 *which hasn't been released* they tend to 500+ .......for best in power; that would be Polaris mobile........ or they can do they are doing and use APU.....;)
 
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