next gen consoles

[Seanspeed]

could there be any link between the new sony/microsoft consoles and polaris ? the comment sure implies that!

I think this is far and away the most likely situation. MS could even be using some sort of smaller, custom Vega chip given it wont be coming til late 2017.

I want to believe you (I really do) and perhaps I'm referring to say a gtx 770 which can do when overclocked 1080p ultra 60fps. I genuinely don't think a neo will match that. Happy to be proved wrong!

The rumored(and heavily supported) specs for PS4 Neo should be around 380X level on-paper. Perhaps a bit better.

Scorpio will be more like 390X level.

 

[Orangey]

If they really were serious about breaking the console paradigm and not holding developers back for years at a time, Scorpio could have been a LOT more than 6TF.

 

[Rofflay]

My mates are drooling over the announcement these are the same people who laugh about the price of a PC. Yet here they are after buying a PS4 and a 720p TV only now discussing a 4K TV and a next gen console.


This is our average intelligence level of a console owner blind ignorant and complete fools. If they think they are going to spend £800 without me laughing about how that could be a GPU upgrade, Maybe even SLI har har har and you still get a sub-par console experience!!

 

[Seanspeed]

If they really were serious about breaking the console paradigm and not holding developers back for years at a time, Scorpio could have been a LOT more than 6TF.

Consoles dont hold back developers anymore than people with mediocre gaming PC's, who make up a pretty huge percent.

Anyways, how do you propose they stuff more than 6TF of GPU power into a very small form factor case and have it be reasonably priced?

 

[Seanspeed]

This is our average intelligence level of a console owner blind ignorant and complete fools.

In my experience, 'average' gamers, whether console or PC users, do not tend to be all that informed.

And the enthusiasts, whether console or PC, tend to be quite knowledgeable.

I really despite this whole condescending view that some PC gamers have over people who game on consoles. Strikes me as highly insecure when it comes down to it, needing to knock others down in order to make themselves feel better.

 

[Rofflay]

They are informed they just weirdly prefer a locked down version of a PC with children screaming over the voice channels. So i am not insecure at all about that it makes zero difference to my life lol.

PC gaming existed before and after this fools playground.

 

[Orangey]

Consoles dont hold back developers anymore than people with mediocre gaming PC's, who make up a pretty huge percent.

Anyways, how do you propose they stuff more than 6TF of GPU power into a very small form factor case and have it be reasonably priced?

Bear in mind it won't release for 18 months.

 

[AlamoX]

They are informed they just weirdly prefer a locked down version of a PC with children screaming over the voice channels. So i am not insecure at all about that it makes zero difference to my life lol.

PC gaming existed before and after this fools playground.

to be fair you have kids yelling on headphone on pc too
i havent bought a console since dreamcast, but to be honest the line up from ps4 at E3 makes it really hard to pass on, they have amazing exclusives that will never come to PC , hopefuly ps4 neo comes at the end of the year with PSVR

 

[oldestgregg]

In my experience, 'average' gamers, whether console or PC users, do not tend to be all that informed.

And the enthusiasts, whether console or PC, tend to be quite knowledgeable.

I really despite this whole condescending view that some PC gamers have over people who game on consoles. Strikes me as highly insecure when it comes down to it, needing to knock others down in order to make themselves feel better.

Yea, I kind of expect it from the average 14 year old console gamer who cannot afford to buy stuff themselves and need to justify owning the one console they had to choose for Christmas, but not from adults.

The truth is most adult gamers I know just like the ease of use the consoles provide. They just want to play games and dont want to learn about upgrades and drivers and stuff we,as PC gamers, are used to.

 

[~>Dg<~]

so the new console is going to be 60 fps at 4k

knew it. all from a fury x

 

[tyler_jrb]

so the new console is going to be 60 fps at 4k

knew it. all from a fury x

4K 60hz with maxed out settings with 6Tflops of AMD super power.

Not to mention you get the highest quality pixels aswell

 

[Legend]

I really despite this whole condescending view that some PC gamers have over people who game on consoles. Strikes me as highly insecure when it comes down to it, needing to knock others down in order to make themselves feel better.

You are not alone of course, but I see it everywhere, and it's hardly limited to the tech world... fitness, food, health, money, work... it's a very prevalent and common attitude, and I'd argue it's somewhat in our nature (primally speaking) but has certainly taken a more ugly turn in recent years.

What I find so funny about Scorpio is how far away it is from reality... 18 months is FOREVER in tech terms, but the way I see some console fanboys getting so excited it's like it will be in their hands next week lol!

Part of me hopes they do deliver on the 4K promise, even though I can't fathom how that will be possible with the lower budget affordable GPU tech we KNOW they will be using. Ultimately though, them pushing the boundaries should only benefit PC gamers, which makes the condescension all the more unnecessary.

 

[Seanspeed]

They are informed they just weirdly prefer a locked down version of a PC with children screaming over the voice channels. So i am not insecure at all about that it makes zero difference to my life lol.

PC gaming existed before and after this fools playground.

There is nothing weird about preferring an affordable(subsidized), locked down, small form factor gaming system built for the living room.

And trust me, there's tons and tons of annoying PC gamers, too. And honestly, even going by a lot of people here, I dont get the impression that PC enthusiasts are really any more 'wise' than console enthusiasts I talk to. More up-to-date on the latest GPU tech and whatnot, sure. Naturally. But less foolish, intelligent, rational, etc? Nope. Not in the least.

You certainly sound insecure about it. Not because of how it affects your life, but just this general feeling of needing to feel like console users are lesser than you.

Bear in mind it won't release for 18 months.

Yes, but designs and manufacturing have to be in place well before release.

 

[Seanspeed]

Part of me hopes they do deliver on the 4K promise, even though I can't fathom how that will be possible with the lower budget affordable GPU tech we KNOW they will be using.

Keep in mind that 30fps is a more common framerate target for console games and they tend to use a varying mix of Medium/High settings(dropping down to Low/Medium in the later stages of the generation). While us PC enthusiasts tend to consider something 'x resolution-ready' only when it hits 60fps at High/Ultra.

Scorpio will have nearly 4x the flops that the XB1 has. If we generally take that to mean it's going to have 4x the pixel-pushing power, then it seems quite reasonable that it could play current-gen games at 4k/similar framerate.

What I think PS4 Neo is going for is performance, though. I dont think it'll have that same 4k capability except in certain circumstances, so either they rely on upscaling, or they simply use the extra power to crank up the performance, turning 1080p/30fps games into 1080p/60fps games with slightly higher settings. Essentially what I get with my GTX970, which should be entirely do-able with a slightly de-clocked Polaris 10 chip. And this would make sense given that it's probably going to be heavily marketed towards PSVR users, where performance is more important than fidelity.

 

[drunkenmaster]

You are not alone of course, but I see it everywhere, and it's hardly limited to the tech world... fitness, food, health, money, work... it's a very prevalent and common attitude, and I'd argue it's somewhat in our nature (primally speaking) but has certainly taken a more ugly turn in recent years.

What I find so funny about Scorpio is how far away it is from reality... 18 months is FOREVER in tech terms, but the way I see some console fanboys getting so excited it's like it will be in their hands next week lol!

Part of me hopes they do deliver on the 4K promise, even though I can't fathom how that will be possible with the lower budget affordable GPU tech we KNOW they will be using. Ultimately though, them pushing the boundaries should only benefit PC gamers, which makes the condescension all the more unnecessary.

Can't fathom how it's possible, really? 1.31TF gpu in Xbox One... 6TF gpu in Xbox Scorpio, play the same games, Xbox one aiming for 60fps 1080p, at the same settings it's entirely plausible that a card even with identical architecture with over 4 times the performance would be able to deliver the same framerate at 4k. It not only sounds incredibly do-able, it sounds like a sensible performance target for a GPU to achieve exactly what they are saying.

 

[BubbySoup]

What exactly does Phil mean when he says;

They're already building 4K PC games, which is why we went out and talked to developers explicitly about what it takes to build a 4K PC game....We just shipped Forza Motorsport Apex on Windows. We shipped that at 4K and we looked at that.

You don't build 4k games, especially on a PC. The bulk of PC games support the native res of the desktop. I mean you can run say Bioshock at 4k - that doesn't mean it was built for it. Am I missing something here?

 

[Seanspeed]

What exactly does Phil mean when he says;



You don't build 4k games, especially on a PC. The bulk of PC games support the native res of the desktop. I mean you can run say Bioshock at 4k - that doesn't mean it was built for it. Am I missing something here?

There is a bit more to it than that, yes. Generally, the higher the resolution, the more detail you can afford to put in, as at lower resolutions, it becomes less discernable and doesn't look great. Play The Witcher 3 at 720p to get an idea. It doesn't look so bad just because it's 720p, but also because there's so much detail that is just completely mudded. There's even games where resolution chosen is tied to LoD draw distance. You can also make more effective use of high-res textures, as low res textures on a really high resolution display dont look so hot.

Most of all, though - if you've tried to play a fair number of older games at really high resolutions, I'm sure you've come across games that basically became unplayable due to UI scaling. Building games that can handle that, so they are viable for playing, and not just screenshots, could arguably be considered 'designing for 4k'.

There's not a huge distinction though, no.

 

[Brazo]

Can't fathom how it's possible, really? 1.31TF gpu in Xbox One... 6TF gpu in Xbox Scorpio, play the same games, Xbox one aiming for 60fps 1080p, at the same settings it's entirely plausible that a card even with identical architecture with over 4 times the performance would be able to deliver the same framerate at 4k. It not only sounds incredibly do-able, it sounds like a sensible performance target for a GPU to achieve exactly what they are saying.

Well I think you've answered your own question. Xbox one 'aiming' for 1080P 60 FPS. 'Aiming' is the key word here.

Reality is 720P at 30FPS. Multiply that by 4 and you get 1080P at 60fps

 

[beany_bot]

Never thought a Thread about consoles would make it to 7 pages in here.
I guess thats what Nvidias new pricing structure will do to you!

 

[Seanspeed]

Xbox one aiming for 60fps 1080p

Reality is 720P at 30FPS.

Reality is in the middle(do you guys pay attention to console gaming at all? lol). XB1 titles are usually 900p-1080p/30fps. Some exceptions lower, some exceptions higher.

But drunkenmaster would still be correct that 4x the GPU power should basically enable these same games to run at 4k with similar performance as before.

Take a look at a 390X, which is about where the Scorpio's results put it. Good for 4k/60fps? No, not unless it's not a very graphics-heavy game. But 4k/30fps and Medium settings? Sure, quite feasible in many modern games. Then consider that there will be another year and a half of improvements for API's and tools and it all seems quite reasonable.