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Next Gen Direct X 10 Cards
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Q2 and Q3 engines are good old OpenGL.kleox64 said:
I'd have thought Vista will have more games coming out after 6 months from being released.. give users a chance to upgrade first. Also there maybe be issues with drivers and other things, since there was with Windows 2000 and XP when they were released.
I can think of one problem right now; I couldn't play the latest Spinter Cell (that came with my 7800 GT) in XP64, due to it using a more powerful copy protection checker, that's installed as a driver(!).. there are about 50 games that use it. That driver would have to be written for Vista 32 and 64 if you want to play those games (and the games must then be patched to use said version). I'm using XP32 now because of that and other 64bit issues.
So I think I'll be waiting about 6 months, after it's been released, before getting Vista.. but I would prefer 64 bit. Vista is going to be a transition OS from 32 to 64 bit.
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Why is everyone wanting to jump on the DX10 bandwaggon and grab a card soon as they are released, will you never learn, just look at what the PhysX card is doing, its reducing frames from 66 to 17!!!, why on earth do you want to buy a DX10 card as soon as they come out just for Vista, look its an operating system, do not waste £500+ on an operating system, have you no sense at all.
Your going to waste £500+ just for that, then when the DX10 stuff does appear so that its worth buying a DX10 card your going to have to shell out yet another £500+ on a new card because the one you have is very, very old, and won't run the DX10 stuff very well, cards are coming every few months, games etc... take years, can you imagine how many new cards will have been and gone after R600/G80 appeared when the DX10 stuff starts arriving, jesus be ******* loads.
The sensible option is to hold yer £500+, and only shell it out once when the DX10 stuff is here, not shell out a grand, with having to shell out £500+ for Vista, then having to shell out another £500+ further down the line for another DX10 card as the DX10 stuff has finally started appearing, and your £500+ Vista card runs em crap as its old.
Why are you not out there ripping the PPU's off the shelves, come on they are reducing your frame-rates by about 50fps, you should be out there killing to get your hands on them, go on get yourselves out there £220+, you may as well as your obviously insane as your all gona be out there ripping the first £500+ DX10 cards off the shelves for an operating system.
Your going to waste £500+ just for that, then when the DX10 stuff does appear so that its worth buying a DX10 card your going to have to shell out yet another £500+ on a new card because the one you have is very, very old, and won't run the DX10 stuff very well, cards are coming every few months, games etc... take years, can you imagine how many new cards will have been and gone after R600/G80 appeared when the DX10 stuff starts arriving, jesus be ******* loads.
The sensible option is to hold yer £500+, and only shell it out once when the DX10 stuff is here, not shell out a grand, with having to shell out £500+ for Vista, then having to shell out another £500+ further down the line for another DX10 card as the DX10 stuff has finally started appearing, and your £500+ Vista card runs em crap as its old.
Why are you not out there ripping the PPU's off the shelves, come on they are reducing your frame-rates by about 50fps, you should be out there killing to get your hands on them, go on get yourselves out there £220+, you may as well as your obviously insane as your all gona be out there ripping the first £500+ DX10 cards off the shelves for an operating system.
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How much did you say Vista will cost five hundred pounds can't be right, can it? I can build an ok PC for that.
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WatchTower said:
Half a grand for Vista? surely not?
I've heard from a Vista beta tester that this OS will be absolutely tied to your motherboard, not to happy about that, its not as if I change hardware as often as I used to, but I've certainly swapped motherboards between major upgrades before to get new features.
I've held off upgrading for a while now, if I can just hang in there until after Christmas, it should be a lot clearer what is available and how it might benefit me and at the same time newer hardware at that time will push down today's prices of bleeding edge hardware.
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It will be as Vista is DX10, how much will a new card be, exactly, so your going to be buying a DX10 card just for Vista, as when more DX10 stuff appears, that its worth buying a DX10 card for, then your going to have to buy another one as yours will be old as i said, so you will be spending about £500 just for Vista, if you buy one as soon as they come out, the sensible option is to wait for the DX10 stuff to appear before you waste your cash, and that will be ages. 
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LoadsaMoney said:the sensible option is to wait for the DX10 stuff to appear before you waste your cash, and that will be ages.
I see the angle now.
Yup, already stated I'll be waiting until after Christmas. In all honesty, my rig is still cutting the mustard right now with Oblivion and FS2004 on my Dell 2405FP at native res. Have to turn some graphic options down for sure, but its quite acceptable.
I have been doing some spending though, a Dell 17" LCD arrived for my bedroom comp today and I'll be purchasing a Dell 19" LCD as a second monitor for this comp next week.
After that may get a Raptor 150 gb that surely wont go wrong for my major upgrade after Christmas. But am definitely holding off on CPU, Motherboard and Graphic cards for now.
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Yeah the cards we have now are gona be around a while yet, even after R600/G80 come out.
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Hmm, they way I see it, the R600/G80 aren't going to be any different than the usual next itteration of graphics cards. The only difference being the way Vista won't be Legacied (right word??), or rather DX10 won't be have legacy support for older DX versions.
So, basically, upgrading your gfx card to a R600/G80 will see all the usual benefits of a gfx card upgrade, basically it being faster than the previous generation (I think the R600 is going to have Unified Shader architecture, for all the good it does), with the added bonus that it actually supports DX10.
So, basically, upgrading your gfx card to a R600/G80 will see all the usual benefits of a gfx card upgrade, basically it being faster than the previous generation (I think the R600 is going to have Unified Shader architecture, for all the good it does), with the added bonus that it actually supports DX10.
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Just to take this slightly off topic....
Am I right in assuming the "Vista Ready" slogan used in the specs on the latest Nvidia gfx cards is just marketing bull then as they clearly don't support DX10?
Am I right in assuming the "Vista Ready" slogan used in the specs on the latest Nvidia gfx cards is just marketing bull then as they clearly don't support DX10?
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UOcUK Poopscoop said:
Yup they'll run Vista but just with none of the eyecandy AFAIK and they don't support DX10.
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Minstadave said:
Just like the early "HD ready" TV fiasco then.
Wonder how many people will buy one thinking they are all set to go when Vista arrives only to find they were not nearly as future proof as they were lead to believe?
Hmm. This has got me thinking now. I've got an X850XT too which chugs along a bit poorly when trying to run things at 1920x1200 on my Dell 24" screen. I was going to wait until DX10 and SM4.0 cards came out but they're about 1-2 years away you reckon? Don't think I can wait that long.
How much faster is the X1900 than the X1800? I notice it's nearly twice the price...
How much faster is the X1900 than the X1800? I notice it's nearly twice the price...
We've been running VISTA at work - and as long as you get the right drivers everything seems as it should.Minstadave said:
I think that the only thing DX10 cards bring to Vista is that they are DX10 and that DX10 is an integrated aspect of Vista, so they should be able to run those transparent windows quicker
I am really looking forward to ATI's DX10 card as I think unified shaders on chip will really aid some of the visual treats of the next gen games. And I really hope that the r600 will also give beyond the customary boost that the next iteration of GPU gives, but a greater boost due to its ground up design (rather then die shrink/frequency boost as is customary).