nice touch in closing the forum down as a mark of respect

Telescopi said:
It's quite relevant at the moment considering our soldiers are still losing their lives in afghanistan - not wishing to simplify the global situation but the simple fact is they wouldn't be there if not for 9/11.
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This tbh. That one event has affected our country considerably. Also I think part of the reason we carry on marking this day is that events like this don't happen very often in the US/UK, it came as a shock to everyone. It certainly came as a shock to me. Any loss of life is tragic, but if we were to commemerate every tragedy, we'd be doing it every single day.

I think in most cases, if something happens to America, it affects the rest of the world too.

Just as an aside, did the forum close for an hour on 7th July?
 
Telescopi said:
It's quite relevant at the moment considering our soldiers are still losing their lives in afghanistan - not wishing to simplify the global situation but the simple fact is they wouldn't be there if not for 9/11.
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Not because of 9/11, because of oil. 9/11 allows us to have a better excuse for invading though, notice i dont say a good reason, just slightly better
 
EVH said:
Did anyone else see "102 minutes" on Sky Anytime?

They didn't show the plane crashes, but it was 102 minutes of entire eyewitness footage which made for some dramatic viewing :(
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I watched that a few months ago. Very moving footage and just made me realise how bad it must have been.
 
I saw it a few months ago too, was very powerful.

When you see footage these days of the planes hitting, do you still have a look of shock/horror on your face like I do? Doesn't matter how many times I see it, it's as if I'm seeing it for the first time...
 
Telescopi said:
It's quite relevant at the moment considering our soldiers are still losing their lives in afghanistan - not wishing to simplify the global situation but the simple fact is they wouldn't be there if not for 9/11.
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I don't agree with it though, Yes we might have lost soldiers, but in numbers, they don't come close to the number of civilians that have been killed as a direct result of the "war on terror".

I suppose it's easier to take because its not our civilians, people like me or you that are been killed. It's them, the "bad guys".

They're still people, we are citizens of the world. We shouldn't be killing each other. "An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind".
 
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And yet the bloodshed that has followed in the wake of 9/11 rather taints the whole affair. Also, need it be said, Iraq had no connection with the Trade Center attacks.

Not to mention that lots of Americans have being dying since due to their god-awful health 'care' system that the Republicans never bothered to reform.

If we wanted to show real respect, then all those idiotic conspiracy threads should be closed and the pro-conspirators suspended.
 
YouBunt2 said:
...tbh it not a huge deal, so many more people have died in single incidents all over the world, but it doesnt get the same amount of news coverage because its not happening in america, or a 1st world country....are 1st world lives really worth that much more than others??
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Exactly...

When's the last time people remembered the 250,000+ people that died in the tsunami on the 26th December 2006? That has had a further reaching impact on more people (including more brits as mre died) than 9/11. Yes it was a natural disaster but that doesn't make a jot of difference.

starfighter said:
Good to show respect but it also shows the terrorists have won...
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Yep, the government have been scared, and for some reason we have changed the way we live. 40 years of IRA bombing never did it to us, but a single incident in the US somehow did...

Obviously if spie did actually know somebody wh died then that's fair enough, but for everyone else well...
 
Chimerical said:
And yet the bloodshed that has followed in the wake of 9/11 rather taints the whole affair. Also, need it be said, Iraq had no connection with the Trade Center attacks.

Not to mention that lots of Americans has still being dying since due to their god-awful health 'care' system that the Republicans never bothered to reform.
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Indeed.

The American health care system is awful. The NHS might get some stick, but it's far better then what the American's have.

The invasion of Iraq indeed, had nothing to do with the 11/9 attacks in America, they're completely unrelated, It was America getting involved in the "weapons of mass destruction" that Iraq didn't have.
 
Le_Petit_Lapin said:
RIP

Why do some poeple always have to bitch and moan about others paying their respects?
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Tummy said:
If Spie continues to do this as he has done, good on him, that's no problem for me, I'm sure there are many people who were directly and indirectly affected by this and want to show a mark of respect. I'm in full support of that, and respect them for their decisions.
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Tummy said:
Indeed.

The American health care system is awful. The NHS might get some stick, but it's far better then what the American's have.
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The American system just seems twisted to me. Not because its private insurance (there's nothing wrong with that if it works) but because of the lies being perpetuated in order to maintain the status quo. The NHS is badly failing in my mind but at least there aren't these ridiculous Death Panel type claims surrounding it although it is annoyingly treated as a sacred cow that must not be touched.
 
tisonlyme said:
This tbh. That one event has affected our country considerably. Also I think part of the reason we carry on marking this day is that events like this don't happen very often in the US/UK, it came as a shock to everyone. It certainly came as a shock to me. Any loss of life is tragic, but if we were to commemerate every tragedy, we'd be doing it every single day.

I think in most cases, if something happens to America, it affects the rest of the world too.

Just as an aside, did the forum close for an hour on 7th July?
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The funny thing is since about then the UK has actually been safer than it was before, not because of the Draconian laws brought in but due to the stopping of the IRA (and other Irish groups). We are far safer today than we were 10, 20 or even 30 years ago...

Tummy said:
I don't agree with it though, Yes we might have lost soldiers, but in numbers, they don't come close to the number of civilians that have been killed as a direct result of the "war on terror".

I suppose it's easier to take because its not our civilians, people like me or you that are been killed. It's them, the "bad guys".

They're still people, we are citizens of the world. We shouldn't be killing each other. "An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind".
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Dead civilians caused due to the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq are in the hundreds of thousands. Really puts it in perspective really. Terrorists kill a couple of thousand of ours, so we kill a couple of hundred thousand of theirs (not all killed by our actions, but all by the result of our actions.:(

Not to mention the explosions in Spain and London, both of which can be directly linked to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind"

Terrorists attack Westerners, Kill several thousand.

Westerners respond, by killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people who live in the middle east, and may or may not of been where the Terrorists were from.
 
Tummy said:
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind"

Terrorists attack Westerners, Kill several thousand.

Westerners respond, by killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people who live in the middle east, and may or may not of been where the Terrorists were from.
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I understand fully what you're getting across here, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't pay respect to those Westerners who were killed.

As I said before, if we mourned every innocent death linked to this war, we'd be doing it every day :(
 
Tummy said:
If Spie continues to do this as he has done, good on him, that's no problem for me, I'm sure there are many people who were directly and indirectly affected by this and want to show a mark of respect. I'm in full support of that, and respect them for their decisions.
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tisonlyme said:
I understand fully what you're getting across here, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't pay respect to those Westerners who were killed.

As I said before, if we mourned every innocent death linked to this war, we'd be doing it every day :(
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I'm not saying we shouldn't pay respect, quite the opposite.
 
Tummy said:
No, I agree, I personally don't think we (English) should make such a big deal / event over such a small loss of life compared to other events in history. We aren't American, something that is often forgotten.

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It's probably the biggest human event in recent times, I can't think of anything else.

It was an attack on western civilisation as a whole and very relevant to the entire western world.
The towers contained people and companies from around the world.
It has change world events and world politics.

RIP to those who lost their lives
 
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