I bet they do
North Korea
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I bet they do
They probably do, don't forget their current leader grew up in the west.
Yep, i see in the future China just roll into N.Korea in the same way the US rolled into Iraq back in 91 without much resistance. It's pretty apparent to anyone outside of N.Korea that's all smoke and mirrors and when it comes to the crunch N.Korea will fold like stacked cards. And China knows this and that's why they're in no rush and not worried.
Not sure what would happen if China rolled into NK - while there are a good percentage of the population reasonably brainwashed to patriotic ends the antagonist has been the USA - not sure what their mindset would be towards China in terms of moral and preparedness to fight.
Definitely think if NK looks like actually utilising nuclear weapons China will pour over the border in a heartbeat - they really don't want that kind of stuff kicking off in their backyard and have been making preparations for awhile - lots of the border towns have seen their civilian authorities bolstered in case they need to deal with a huge displacement of people.
Don't under-estimate North Korea's ability to fight a defensive war however - their people aren't starving, etc. due to lack of resources but that 90% of those resources have been poured into building up military reserves and while increasingly the average person in NK is becoming increasingly disillusioned with defections on a big rise there is still enough critical mass of "true believers" to hold it together in the face of a war.
Definitely think if NK looks like actually utilising nuclear weapons China will pour over the border in a heartbeat - they really don't want that kind of stuff kicking off in their backyard and have been making preparations for awhile - lots of the border towns have seen their civilian authorities bolstered in case they need to deal with a huge displacement of people.
Don't under-estimate North Korea's ability to fight a defensive war however - their people aren't starving, etc. due to lack of resources but that 90% of those resources have been poured into building up military reserves and while increasingly the average person in NK is becoming increasingly disillusioned with defections on a big rise there is still enough critical mass of "true believers" to hold it together in the face of a war.
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China would take NK and manage it for the sake of controlling NK migrants. They would likely use the land for heavy or manual industry and take advantage of near slave labour. NK have always viewed China quite positively, after all they were the only real ally they had over the years and constantly receive AID and technology through China due to the regimes relationship with them. It is not rare to have a NK flee to China for a better life these days, though they often end up victims of criminal gangs (sex trade/practically slave labour) or caught and sent back to NK.
Chinese and NK were brothers in arms and died by the millions in the Korean war. Since then NK people have been constantly told that the rest of the capitalist world is against them and weak, while their communist big brother country has manage to survive and thrive and that NK will soon follow.
If China decided to turn their back on NK (something looking very likely given that today's China is a different China that profits greatly from having good global trade and relations), it would probably play a big part in determining the breaking point for the north Korean army moral
I'm talking in regard to the preparedness to fight back and mental aspects for the average North Korean - anti-US rhetoric is pretty drummed into them to a point that has different implications than to China and there would possibly be a higher percentage maybe who'd fight to the death against the US versus China. But I don't really know enough to know how stuff like that would unfold versus China compared to other Western backed invasions.
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China is very wary of destablising NK as it fears floods of refugees pouring over its southern border.
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Yes, they see the precedent in Europe via Italy.... Although seven out of ten are now admitted to be economic migrants.
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I would imagine that trying to get the NK army to defend against China would likely be the start of mass defections. Not only do they not have substantial artillery and defences up north compared to the southern border but as i mentioned before, the North Korean people hold China in good favour given their past battles fought together and their constant giving of aid. Over the years the regime has drummed anti western spirit into their people while praising the might and success of China. If war broke out, the NK people know that they would have a far better chance of surviving and having a better life by defecting/surrendering to China. You won't have this happen as much on the southern border with SK/US troops where the larger portion of NK military might is located. China would quite happily accept their surrender so that they can control where all these people go, to stop them flooding in.
I dont think NK are as brainwashed as people think, just that their punishment/heirachy system caters to those who act loyal and punishes those who dont to the extreme. Your only option is to do as you are told if you want a better life but that changes depending in how war would come to NK.
From what I've seen seems to be a very mixed story but like Nazi Germany there is enough of a framework there it doesn't really matter if some are less brainwashed than others as their options are limited' (as the rest of your point touches on).
EDIT: Dunno why the US is messing about now with "show of force" options - its not like NK has shown any degree of being intimidated by such moves.
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Seems like an apt time to re-ignite the thread..
What do we think will be the steps taken from here on out? I would much rather a joint Chinese/Russian response rather than a US led one given the current climate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40502361
What do we think will be the steps taken from here on out? I would much rather a joint Chinese/Russian response rather than a US led one given the current climate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40502361
Whilst you arent entirely serious ;P
It may be an idea to surprise flatten the centre of governance in one swoop, including the great leader.. along with a Chinese invasion to prevent retaliation.
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Death to BBC "breaking". I find it so annoying. Liike I click on it, then it sends me to the top of th last article, hence losing my place.Seems like an apt time to re-ignite the thread..
What do we think will be the steps taken from here on out? I would much rather a joint Chinese/Russian response rather than a US led one given the current climate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40502361
Enter polling.bbc.co.uk into your hosts file.
No more breaking nuisance from the Beeb.
Nothing to do with the UK really unless North Korea is deemed a security threat to America or another member of NATO, or one of our respective allies in the region who we have security pacts with such as Australia or New Zealand. I don't believe we have any formal military defence treaty with Japan or South Korea.
I'm not sure how long fixed artillery would be in place against America air and naval power. I'm sure military planners will have a fairly thorough strategy about what to do at the outbreak of a war, and I bet it would involve hundreds of cruise missiles and air strikes all along the border to secure Seoul, America will basically have full air supremacy very quickly
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