North Korea

I reckon no one can stop N Korea, even the USA. If they bomb the crap out of them, it's just going to make them more angry. They aren't the sort of people that give up or turn on each other. It's not Europe or the middle east.
 
neocon said:
I reckon no one can stop N Korea, even the USA. If they bomb the crap out of them, it's just going to make them more angry. They aren't the sort of people that give up or turn on each other. It's not Europe or the middle east.
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oh the us or china or russia is perfectly capable of taking them out, it's just how much blood we're willing to spill to achieve that end be it our own soldiers or nk civilians.
 
adolf hamster said:
oh the us or china or russia is perfectly capable of taking them out, it's just how much blood we're willing to spill to achieve that end be it our own soldiers or nk civilians.
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Yeah indeed most of those countries could flatten Pyongyang in days if minor details like civilians weren't an issue.
 
The problems lie in targeting the nork's large and extensive underground bases and tunnel systems. Some of those are supposed to be so deep that a direct hit from the largest nuclear warhead would probably just shake the dust from the lights.
 
Rroff said:
Yeah indeed most of those countries could flatten Pyongyang in days if minor details like civilians weren't an issue.
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the problem is it's a trade off, we can either as you say flatten nk from the air with minimum friendly casualties and maximum nk civilian casualties, or we can go boots on the ground which will mean maximum friendly casualties and minimum nk civilian casualties.

this is why we haven't "done something already", nobody wants another Vietnam. we've just been waiting for it to implode of its own accord because hey, at least it's not us doing the killing....

don't get me wrong, i do believe that caring for innocent civilian casualties is pretty much the only thing that makes us the "good guys" in any conflict, but neither do i want to read of mothers losing their sons as a daily occurrence in the newspapers, which is what will happen if we take the hard route.
 
Tricky situation. The US needs N Korea to attack them in some way now in order to justify wiping out the regime, hence the goading. If the US attack first, China have a good excuse to get involved. Too much longer though and N Korea might be able to do some damage in return.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Tricky situation. The US needs N Korea to attack them in some way now in order to justify wiping out the regime, hence the goading. If the US attack first, China have a good excuse to get involved. Too much longer though and N Korea might be able to do some damage in return.
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I'm a bit worried it is turning into a game of brinkmanship where the stakes are getting to high for either side to be seen as the one that blinks first as they'd never recover their credibility in the region.
 
LOL so my work colleague hasn't heard of the The Perseid meteor shower - we just left work to a fairly impressive display and he was like "WTF was that?" I jokingly said they were ICBMs and he genuinely thought we were about to get nuked by North Korea :(
 
Rroff said:
LOL so my work colleague hasn't heard of the The Perseid meteor shower - we just left work to a fairly impressive display and he was like "WTF was that?" I jokingly said they were ICBMs and he genuinely thought we were about to get nuked by North Korea :(
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Lol :D just had little gaze myself , only seen one .
 
Has a D Notice been slapped on this, overnight? No mention at all on BBC Breakfast this morning (once again they are obsessed with athletics) and the previous articles have been relegated to the old news section on the Beeb website.
 
Rroff said:
Yeah indeed most of those countries could flatten Pyongyang in days if minor details like civilians weren't an issue.
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A lot of people here are forgetful. More like hours...

All they have to do it destroy all the bridges, power stations and all military bunkers. US, China and Russia can more of less do this in less than 24hrs if they really wanted to
 
neocon said:
I can't see boots on the ground in North Korea. They have million man army, so you'd need a huge invasion.
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Plus another 5-6 million in reserve! What is more, they are Asiatics, Not Arabs. My presumption is that the Norks would pretty much fight to the death to a Man (Cultural differences and all that) so any plan for a land invasion would have to take account of that.

We also need to consider NK's claims for manufacturing a "Hydrogen Bomb". Whilst unlikely, the claimed yield of around 10Kt, whilst dismissed by most, is actually right on the money for a "Neutron Bomb" which, by its nature, has to be a fusion device with a small fission trigger.

This actually ties in well with the fact that NK's early bomb tests produced relatively low yields, again, at the time these were widely dismissed as Duds, but again, would be just what you wanted to produce triggers for fusion devices.

(Teller reckoned that making a small bomb was actually harder than making a big one)

So, even if NK hadn't launched any nuclear missile strikes, I would expect any invading forces to be Nuked as a defensive measure, either by standard or Neutron devices.

My position is that while it would be possible to overwhelm NK by killing millions of people (Think in terms of being as much as half the population, say over 10 million), it would probably not be possible to defeat them in any conventional military sense (IE Fight them to the point of surrender, at which point they come to terms)

Any attempt to invade NK would likely result in US losses not seen since WW2 unless the US had already killed millions of NK people by very heavy air attacks (And even then....!)

We currently live in an insane world where a serving soldier can gfo to prison for putting a dying insurgent out of his misery. Do we really have the stomach to kill 10 million Norks (Including indiscriminate collateral slaughter of millions of civilians) and suffer heavy additional casualties ourselves and in the neighboring countries to boot? I doubt it somehow.

(Even if defeated, Seoul would certainly be destroyed and NK might even send a missile or two to Japan before their facilities are destroyed)

Malevolence said:
True, but the old adage of 'an army marches on it's stomach' is still true today and I can't see how the Norks can keep that massive army fed, watered and supplied.
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They have been preparing for this for 60 years, I dare say there is quite a lot of food and fuel squirreled away in very deep bunkers scattered all over the country.
 
robgmun said:
A lot of people here are forgetful. More like hours...

All they have to do it destroy all the bridges, power stations and all military bunkers. US, China and Russia can more of less do this in less than 24hrs if they really wanted to
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Against NK probably going to have to do more than that - as above they've been preparing for this for decades.

As the Russians have found out the hard way - you pretty much have to systematically destroy a city block by block against a foe like this.
 
Vern1961 said:
Has a D Notice been slapped on this, overnight? No mention at all on BBC Breakfast this morning (once again they are obsessed with athletics) and the previous articles have been relegated to the old news section on the Beeb website.
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U.S. channels quiet as well? I haven't seen any UK news in ages.
 
The problem with NK is, even if they slapped them down, no one has a clue want to do with them after, a poor terrible infrastructure nation, with a mass of starving people and virtually no natural resources.
No one wants the bill.
No one wants to waste troops on it happening.
 
Orionaut said:
Plus another 5-6 million in reserve! What is more, they are Asiatics, Not Arabs. My presumption is that the Norks would pretty much fight to the death to a Man (Cultural differences and all that) so any plan for a land invasion would have to take account of that.

We also need to consider NK's claims for manufacturing a "Hydrogen Bomb". Whilst unlikely, the claimed yield of around 10Kt, whilst dismissed by most, is actually right on the money for a "Neutron Bomb" which, by its nature, has to be a fusion device with a small fission trigger.

This actually ties in well with the fact that NK's early bomb tests produced relatively low yields, again, at the time these were widely dismissed as Duds, but again, would be just what you wanted to produce triggers for fusion devices.

(Teller reckoned that making a small bomb was actually harder than making a big one)

So, even if NK hadn't launched any nuclear missile strikes, I would expect any invading forces to be Nuked as a defensive measure, either by standard or Neutron devices.

My position is that while it would be possible to overwhelm NK by killing millions of people (Think in terms of being as much as half the population, say over 10 million), it would probably not be possible to defeat them in any conventional military sense (IE Fight them to the point of surrender, at which point they come to terms)

Any attempt to invade NK would likely result in US losses not seen since WW2 unless the US had already killed millions of NK people by very heavy air attacks (And even then....!)

We currently live in an insane world where a serving soldier can gfo to prison for putting a dying insurgent out of his misery. Do we really have the stomach to kill 10 million Norks (Including indiscriminate collateral slaughter of millions of civilians) and suffer heavy additional casualties ourselves and in the neighboring countries to boot? I doubt it somehow.

(Even if defeated, Seoul would certainly be destroyed and NK might even send a missile or two to Japan before their facilities are destroyed)



They have been preparing for this for 60 years, I dare say there is quite a lot of food and fuel squirreled away in very deep bunkers scattered all over the country.
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Do you read many fantasy comic's?
 
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