North Korea

All shows the waning power of the west. The UN never had any real power anyway. Neither our soft power or hard power is doing anything for us here. But then, if Israel and Pakistan are armed to the teeth, what example does it set? Should never have been allowed to happen (North Korea developing nuclear warheads), though realistically I'm not sure what could have been done.

Maybe bring back those exploding cigars the Yanks tried on Castro?
 
Fusion said:
All shows the waning power of the west. The UN never had any real power anyway. Neither our soft power or hard power is doing anything for us here. But then, if Israel and Pakistan are armed to the teeth, what example does it set? Should never have been allowed to happen (North Korea developing nuclear warheads), though realistically I'm not sure what could have been done.

Maybe bring back those exploding cigars the Yanks tried on Castro?
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Is the UN the west to you?
 
Fusion said:
All shows the waning power of the west. The UN never had any real power anyway. Neither our soft power or hard power is doing anything for us here. But then, if Israel and Pakistan are armed to the teeth, what example does it set? Should never have been allowed to happen (North Korea developing nuclear warheads), though realistically I'm not sure what could have been done.

Maybe bring back those exploding cigars the Yanks tried on Castro?
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It would have to be exploding Swiss cheese in this case.
 
Rocket man will continue with his nuke program, meetings will take place, big words will be said and absolutely nothing will be done, as always...
 
Well you've got to admire someone who thinks it's a good idea to start poking the Japanese with a stick after we managed to sedate them for 70 years.
 
Roar87 said:
Well you've got to admire someone who thinks it's a good idea to start poking the Japanese with a stick after we managed to sedate them for 70 years.
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NK's rhetoric concerns me - something has changed in the last two weeks or so but I dunno what it is - despite the bluster they are now acting like they have a card to play.
 
Rroff said:
NK's rhetoric concerns me - something has changed in the last two weeks or so but I dunno what it is - despite the bluster they are now acting like they have a card to play.
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Well yeah, they have ICBMs which can potentially carry thermonuclear warheads. I guess we'll see how the strategy of ignoring them will play out.
 
Roar87 said:
Well yeah, they have ICBMs which can potentially carry thermonuclear warheads. I guess we'll see how the strategy of ignoring them will play out.
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By all accounts they've not perfected the actual carrying and delivering the warhead(s) bits of that. Though I fully expect them to demonstrate by the end of the year they are much further ahead than generally thought.

The way they are acting though its kind of like someone has given them assurances behind the scenes or they've some other technical or political leverage to play that they didn't have before - maybe I'm over thinking it and its simply due to the progress they've made with developing and producing MRLS systems that can hit Seoul more effectively than their older artillery (which obviously makes it less likely for someone to take military action against them).
 
Rroff said:
By all accounts they've not perfected the actual carrying and delivering the warhead(s) bits of that. Though I fully expect them to demonstrate by the end of the year they are much further ahead than generally thought.

The way they are acting though its kind of like someone has given them assurances behind the scenes or they've some other technical or political leverage to play that they didn't have before - maybe I'm over thinking it and its simply due to the progress they've made with developing and producing MRLS systems that can hit Seoul more effectively than their older artillery (which obviously makes it less likely for someone to take military action against them).
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What I worry about is that we're taking KJU for granted. In this day and age we're used to basically no one starting wars, except for completely one sided fights in the Middle East like Iraq. What if KJU mobilises his entire army and invades South Korea while threatening to fire nuclear weapons at Los Angeles if America intervenes, are American politicians willing to risk thousands of dead US civilians and a nuclear weapon being dropped on America soil for the sake of South Korea? Maybe he's going to test that hand in an attempt to reunify his country. He wouldn't be the first Dictator in history to throw caution to the wind in an attempt to get his country back from what he sees as the enemy. Maybe he is that mad. Maybe it would've been better if we struck them 5 years ago rather than pussy footing around. I hope the American generals have a plan in place because 6 million North Koreans marching on the South is no joke.
 
Roar87 said:
What if KJU mobilises his entire army and invades South Korea while threatening to fire nuclear weapons at Los Angeles if America intervenes
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Its pretty much the "end goal" that NK has been pushing domestically for a long time as justification for the military first society - whether they'd actually go along with it or ever be in a position to really carry it out even with a reliable nuclear deterrent is another matter.

Sanctions potentially could play to that end - where the average NK citizen is so desperate they would march on SK en mass if their leader decided to do it - though that said even in the current circumstances Koreans generally don't have enmity for each other like that in respect to things like looting and pillaging, etc. most on both sides I believe want to see peaceful reunification.

Personally I don't think KJU is mad - but how much the thinking at that level in NK matches up with contemporary thinking globally is another matter and there are concerns that he has been using significant amounts of steroids and similar types of medication for some health issues which might be affecting his thinking.
 
Rroff said:
By all accounts they've not perfected the actual carrying and delivering the warhead(s) bits of that. Though I fully expect them to demonstrate by the end of the year they are much further ahead than generally thought.

The way they are acting though its kind of like someone has given them assurances behind the scenes or they've some other technical or political leverage to play that they didn't have before - maybe I'm over thinking it and its simply due to the progress they've made with developing and producing MRLS systems that can hit Seoul more effectively than their older artillery (which obviously makes it less likely for someone to take military action against them).
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It's likely linked to the fact the man in the Whitehouse is a complete moron who's managed to make even the countries allies question them. Has the USA's global standing ever been lower than it is now?

I wouldn't be surprised to learn Russia has encouraged them to give them something to think about for a couple of years safe in the knowledge that any major UN resolution will be vetoed. I imagine great quantities of goods are crossing the Russian border regardless of sanctions.
 
Criticises, chastises and threatens Iran for 'supporting terrorism' yet at the same time the US is funding and arming Al-Qaeda an it's affiliates in Syria and shovelling billions of dollars into coffers of the World's biggest terrorist state, Saudi Arabia.

Guess it is true, Americans don't do irony.
 
Malevolence said:
Criticises, chastises and threatens Iran for 'supporting terrorism' yet at the same time the US is funding and arming Al-Qaeda an it's affiliates in Syria and shovelling billions of dollars into coffers of the World's biggest terrorist state, Saudi Arabia.

Guess it is true, Americans don't do irony.
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Loads of people sell arms to Saudi Arabia, including the UK. They're funding people opposed to Assad and ISIS no doubt, but you think that's Al Qaeda? Do you have any sources? I'm not sure America is going to fund the organisation who organised 9/11.
 
Roar87 said:
They're funding people opposed to Assad and ISIS no doubt, but you think that's Al Qaeda? Do you have any sources? I'm not sure America is going to fund the organisation who organised 9/11.
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They were actively supporting multiple AQ cells in Syria such as the Al Nursa front until the media called them out on it and they refocused on just supporting "Moderate" extremists, hence why they lost because the aren't enough moderate ones to stand up to either ISIS or the Syrian loyalists.
 
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