North Korea

I think Pakistan are more of a risk than North Korea

as a nation they are regressing quickly, religion seems to be forcing the issue, lynch mobs, archaic laws being enforced

North Korea may bluster and bark...but they do not export violence over their borders and are not blinded by religious dogma.
 
FTM said:
I think Pakistan are more of a risk than North Korea

as a nation they are regressing quickly, religion seems to be forcing the issue, lynch mobs, archaic laws being enforced

North Korea may bluster and bark...but they do not export violence over their borders and are not blinded by religious dogma.
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I think this may be one of the most sensible posts in the thread.
 
robgmun said:
Even just 5 years ago China with US support would have put an end to NK with minimal issues. But with the media in both the west are seeing conspiracies everywhere because people are moving to the right of politics which makes governments scared to get on with each other
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I agree. I will also add that the governments of China and the US have had a good relationship for a while, certainly much longer than the western public care to admit. People have this fear of China being communist, authoritarian and extreme as far as countries go but the truth is that China is just another major market playing the global economy, same as most countries and that the China of yesteryear is for the most part gone . I think popular opinion of China in the west would have prevented open co-operation and while popular opinion in the east would have made co-operation a little unpopular, China's main stumbling block were the powerhouse politicians hoping for a continued stable NK rather than risk a scare next door.

Then there was the US military who likely did not want to settle the NK issue. Due to NK being fluffed as a threat, they have manage to keep huge military forces in the east. Both South Korea, Japan and the Philippines have major bases that are only really tolerated due to the NK threat. The mutual defense treatys with surrounding nations make for a great permission slip. If they would have it their way, they would have NK remain as it was, starved and stunted, while using the NK leaders need to show bravado to keep the threat relevant. Obviously they didn't want NK to rush nukes as Un has, the pace of Il was far more tolerable in their eyes.
 
FTM said:
I think Pakistan are more of a risk than North Korea

as a nation they are regressing quickly, religion seems to be forcing the issue, lynch mobs, archaic laws being enforced

North Korea may bluster and bark...but they do not export violence over their borders and are not blinded by religious dogma.
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Pakistan is certainly going in a concerning direction but Juche has all the hallmarks of a religion and NK definitely does export violence maybe not so directly in some cases but they have strong links to Iran in terms of military supplies and R&D, etc. they have squads of hackers and what are basically assassins that carry out operations outside of NK, etc.
 
Amnesia said:
Americas bluff has been called now they are running around looking for help
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Ah, amnesia applies his keen intellect again.

Or...it could be nk is in a sensitive area sharing a border and historic allegiance with China, a border with Russia and is able to harm the neutral parties of Asian countries such as South Korea and Japan. To go charging in without agreement would be folly.
 
More "major" sanctions... maybe they are hoping to make them so desperate they will be forced on the offensive where they'd be much easier to defeat than in defence.
 
Playing devils' advocate a bit here, but what are the limitations of a mobile launch platform? Was this launched off one? How hard is it to track them? I suspect that a targeted attack could probably take out the majority of their arsenal if done right, although that might irk Best Korea somewhat. I dunno. Just thinking out loud here.
 
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Playing devils' advocate a bit here, but what are the limitations of a mobile launch platform? Was this launched off one? How hard is it to track them? I suspect that a targeted attack could probably take out the majority of their arsenal if done right, although that might irk Best Korea somewhat. I dunno. Just thinking out loud here.
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Yes, the latest launch was from a mobile launch platform.

Tracking the launchers themselves is hard to impossible since they are "mobile" Tracking the missile itself isn't hard. The Westen world have no problem detecting the launches.

The only major negative on mobile launches are the accuracy of the missiles themselves. Think of them like a shotgun, they good for taking out cities, but not very accurate against military targets.


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North Korea is rumoured to have about 40-60 nuclear warheads and I doubt any will be able to fit on this missile as yet unless they designed the missile to fit their nukes.

Still ain't too late to use a military card, but we would have to totally overwhelm them in the first 24 hours, that's easy possible for the three carrier groups in the area plus the land based stuff.
 
robgmun said:
Even just 5 years ago China with US support would have put an end to NK with minimal issues. But with the media in both the west are seeing conspiracies everywhere because people are moving to the right of politics which makes governments scared to get on with each other
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From my experience, i see far more left-wing conspiracy theorists than right wing.. like astonishingly more.
 
IronWarrior said:
Yes, the latest launch was from a mobile launch platform.

Tracking the launchers themselves is hard to impossible since they are "mobile" Tracking the missile itself isn't hard. The Westen world have no problem detecting the launches.

The only major negative on mobile launches are the accuracy of the missiles themselves. Think of them like a shotgun, they good for taking out cities, but not very accurate against military targets.

North Korea is rumoured to have about 40-60 nuclear warheads and I doubt any will be able to fit on this missile as yet unless they designed the missile to fit their nukes.

Still ain't too late to use a military card, but we would have to totally overwhelm them in the first 24 hours, that's easy possible for the three carrier groups in the area plus the land based stuff.
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The level of accuracy is likely going to be far more determined by the level of sophistication they've attained than the type of launch platform - the photos tend to slightly confirm they are based on reverse engineering the R-36 and R-7 platforms which may be another reason for the high altitude tests aside from reducing overflight as the most accessible versions of those technologies will be as satellite launch platforms and reworking them for ICBM type use with a re-entry vehicle more difficult.

Analysis tends to agree that they've the material between imports and domestic production to potentially build 40-60 warheads but there is uncertainty over how many they actually have produced.

Personally I think they are much further along than generally assumed - 18 months ago it was "years and years" before they'd have anything credible as a long range ballistic missile with a lot of snide comments about them blowing up on the launchpad - as I mentioned before I highly suspected we'd see confirmation by the end of this year they had a viable if rudimentary ICBM with credible capability of the potential to hit mainland US and I suspect we will see confirmation soon that they have some rudimentary re-entry vehicle capability for a nuclear warhead - its even possible this was a dry run for a high altitude nuclear test (with the collapse of their primary testing facility it is also possible they would turn to this avenue for their next test).
 
Yeah our nukes are all submarine based carried by the four Vanguard class submarines, equipped with 16 Trident 2 missiles that can carry up too 8 warheads.

But it seems the Submarines are not always fully armed and the new Submarines we want to replace them will carry fewer missiles.

The Royal Air Force used to have a stockpile of missiles called the WE.177, but they got retired.
 
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