North Korea
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isn't it amazing how things progressed once he stopped tweeting and let diplomats do their jobsNah Trump is just taking credit for this change of mood from NK
I'm sure the increased sanctions and threats of war from the Trump administration had nothing to do with it. Perhaps Trump can fix Iran now since Obama's genius solution was to bribe them with money and hope they keep their word. In reality the US are probably just paying for Iran's nuclear programme.
And the uk.
Iran has already spent billions modernising its civilian airfleet through Airbus (because boeing couldnt because of us restrictions)
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Two things are prob at the bottom of this, first is china wanting a bit of a word in wee fat boys ear... bet hes been told to wind his neck in.
the second ... well trumps a nutter and surely they know he would annihilate them if given half a chance.
the second ... well trumps a nutter and surely they know he would annihilate them if given half a chance.
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Pure speculation but if they ever reunify fully I'd expect them to revert the capital to Kaesong which is the historical capital of the peninsula. They're big on gestures like that in Korea.
Saying that I've been to Kaesong a lot and it's a town really. Very few vehicles, almost everyone on bicycles etc.
be really interesting if they agree to de-militarise the peninsula..meaning US troops have to pull out
might be chinas plan all along..north korea play nice, official end to the war, no more nukes and theres no need for us troops to be there anymore...no bases near china sea
might be chinas plan all along..north korea play nice, official end to the war, no more nukes and theres no need for us troops to be there anymore...no bases near china sea
Lets be honest. The NK nuclear test site is no longer usable, with no way to test their development there is no point in continuing that line of research.
Since they would now be all bark and no bite, with increasing sanctions ruining the country, the lightbulbs have finally started to... well not switch on, but glow faintly.
Since they would now be all bark and no bite, with increasing sanctions ruining the country, the lightbulbs have finally started to... well not switch on, but glow faintly.
I think this is the main thing. Their test site collapsed and they probably lack the resources to start over. With crippling sanctions in place, i think they realised their time is done and that the only way forward was to come to the negotiating table.
Obama lacked the balls to call Kims bluff on nuclear war, Trump shrugged his shoulders and pushed for sanctions and then made sure they were enforced. NK have clearly run out of cash and oil and Kim has had no choice but to save face and come negotiate. I'm just worried South Korea's weakness will just lead to North Korea getting sanctions lifted and then they'll carry on like they did before.
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well done Mr Trump
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this keeps on get misquoted even the original researchers where the news outlet pulled the quote from said it was actually probable that whilst a chamber collapsed it would not have rendered their operations useless and that the mountain was in a good enough state for plenty more tests.
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They also seem to be having major issues with their nuclear tests sites. It's not like other countries that where free to go test out at sea away from their mainland.
It's a bit of a lucky win for trump. Another one of a long list of happens to be in office at the right time
It's a bit of a lucky win for trump. Another one of a long list of happens to be in office at the right time
I don't think it is down to any one thing - the US, China and SK have all played a role but ultimately a lot will come down to how genuine NK is about this.
I think Trumps inconsistency and unpredictability has had an impact here - Obama was a lot more predictable and NK largely had him wrapped around their little finger. To a lesser extent but also a factor that under Trump wider reaching sanctions have actually been enacted against NK rather than talked about but largely more bark than bite under Obama (Sadly in hindsight and partly as a reaction to how much a buffoon Trump is people are trying to rewrite history on this aspect there is so much fanboying of Obama and hatred, albeit not undeserved, of Trump). But I don't think that is a sole factor.
The circumstances within NK also likely play a role - as mentioned above their test site is not in a great state and they may be stalled either in terms of resources/cash or technical progress for nuclear development or even got to a point where this stuff doesn't matter any more - or it might be completely unrelated to why they've decided to pursue this path now - Kim has done a way with a lot of people who might have been used against him and/or old guard who might resist a change in stance and possibly feels more secure in trying to move things in another direction.
EDIT: Also - and another big fail on the part of Obama - they've now it seems perfected the KN-09 platform and rolling it out to production - this massively reduces their need for a nuclear arsenal as a defence against invasion as it gives them a real artillery platform that can rain down massive destruction on Seoul and SK in general and far harder to counter than their older, mostly static, limited range, artillery (and missiles).
EDIT2: That isn't to exclude China and the efforts of SK from the equation.
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So Kim would be crossing the border were it not for the sanctions? Do you even believe what you're typing?