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Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series

Neutral said:
Rumour is over 50% ppw and a slight consumption increase, you got a link to these lacklustre performance leaks?
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I am not sure 50% is gonna be enough to justify AMD purchase if the pricing increase is similar to what Nvidia has done.

In fact I think they need to push higher % especially in the mid range stacks.
 
ICDP said:
There has been leaks on performance, right in this very thread.

Expect 50% over current performance and you will be in the right ballpark. That would put 7950 about 10% slower than 4090 in raster. RT will be better than this gen but not as good as 4090.

So if you care about RT and fake frames then AMD 7x00 is not for you.

I think based on the leaks (that you can’t seem to find) a 7800XT will match 4080 16GB in raster but be slower in RT (which I am OK with). If it does that for a fair bit under $1k with inflation and the **** pound, then I would call that a win for AMD.
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Imagine getting riled up over Fake Frames. We'll see how it is in November with less rasterization performance, embarrassingly poor RT performance and lack of features.

Edit: Can't wait for you guys to be singing AMD's praises when AMD comes up with their inferior version 2 years down the line which will perform worse than Nvidia's current solution.
 
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Oyeee said:
Imagine getting riled up over Fake Frames. We'll see how it is in November with less rasterization performance, embarrassingly poor RT performance and lack of features.

Edit: Can't wait for you guys to be singing AMD's praises when AMD comes up with their inferior version 2 years down the line which will perform worse than Nvidia's current solution.
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AMD is not putting dedicated RT hardware in the core so we will have to see whether they can achieve good RT. It won't be as good as 4090 but I reckon they will have tried to at least beat the Ampere RT performance. That should be good enough for 4K 60fps when matched with the other RDNA3 improvements.
They claim to have redesigned the compute units for better RT this time. If they have doubled the number of transistors like Nvidia and performance scaling is similar then we should expect it to be close to the 4090 in rasterization just like how the 6900XT vs 3090. That will be good enough for most people.
 
aoaaron said:
Is DLSS, DLSS3.0, the motion interpolation/frame thing and superior raytracing performance worth £100-£150? IMO yes.
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So let me see if I understand the maths here:
DLSS upscaler +£25 to +£50
Better RT +£125 to +£175
DLSS 3.0 fake frames -£50 to -£75
Is that close?
Have to say that's a bit harsh on DLSS as long as its fakery remains optional :p
 
fs123 said:
AMD is not putting dedicated RT hardware in the core so we will have to see whether they can achieve good RT. It won't be as good as 4090 but I reckon they will have tried to at least beat the Ampere RT performance. That should be good enough for 4K 60fps when matched with the other RDNA3 improvements.
They claim to have redesigned the compute units for better RT this time. If they have doubled the number of transistors like Nvidia and performance scaling is similar then we should expect it to be close to the 4090 in rasterization just like how the 6900XT vs 3090. That will be good enough for most people.
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So as I said previously, a generation behind. I think there needs to be a reasonable discount involved if you're a generation behind RT performance. For the sake of £100, I'd rather go with the advanced RT performance personally.

KompuKare said:
So let me see if I understand the maths here:
DLSS upscaler +£25 to +£50
Better RT +£125 to +£175
DLSS 3.0 fake frames -£50 to -£75
Is that close?
Have to say that's a bit harsh on DLSS as long as its fakery remains optional :p
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Its pretty clear. One product offers superior upscaling (FSR vs DLSS), better raytracing performance most likely (which is important if you want the best graphical fidelity as otherwise it tanks and destroys AMD cards performances) and a new experimental motion interpolation system (given NVIDIA managed to refine and improve DLSS, maybe they'll do it with that).

I'm personally happy to pay a £100-£150 premium for that.

IMO Either AMD need to offer BETTER rasterisation with an inferior feature set or have a much more competitive price.
 
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pc-guy said:
I am not sure 50% is gonna be enough to justify AMD purchase if the pricing increase is similar to what Nvidia has done.

In fact I think they need to push higher % especially in the mid range stacks.
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Yeah if they push power consumption then it could be strong, outside of rt rdna2 was very competitive.

Where are you seeing these rumours of weak performance though?
As we know 4090 is dominating the charts in almost every instance.
 
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Dave2150 said:
Not much excitement, as the vast majority don't want to risk BSOD, bad drivers, worse compatibility compared to the smooth easy out of the box experience you get with Nvidia. IMO these are the biggest reasons.

I'm saying that as someone who bought many high end AMD cards on release, more than most (Radeon VII, Vega64 Liquid, RX480, Fury X, 390X, 290 to name just a few).
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The latest Gameready driver broke GSync for me. I'm now going to curse Nvidia's name for ever.
 
The rtx4090 had queues formed around the block outside microcentres a few hours prior to launch. RDNA3's success may be determined on if it can recreate that kind of excitement in potential buyers
 
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the rumour has remained the same for a while now from Greymon, 7950XT chip probably faster in raster than the 4090 chip, slower in RT. 4090ti chip will beat the 7950XT chip.

whether the *cards* are faster or slower is up in the air, keep getting mixed messages.
 
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aoaaron said:
So as I said previously, a generation behind. I think there needs to be a reasonable discount involved if you're a generation behind RT performance. For the sake of £100, I'd rather go with the advanced RT performance personally.



Its pretty clear. One product offers superior upscaling (FSR vs DLSS), better raytracing performance most likely (which is important if you want the best graphical fidelity as otherwise it tanks and destroys AMD cards performances) and a new experimental motion interpolation system (given NVIDIA managed to refine and improve DLSS, maybe they'll do it with that).

I'm personally happy to pay a £100-£150 premium for that.

IMO Either AMD need to offer BETTER rasterisation with an inferior feature set or have a much more competitive price.
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So in summary, you'll be buying nVidia no matter what?
 
aoaaron said:
I predicted it last year with their inferior RT performance abd FSR so we'll see again in a few weeks.

I'm happy to place a bet that their RT performance will not match NVIDIAs.
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You predicted something that was pretty much a certainty seeing as that was their first iteration of ray tracing support? Things have moved on since then.
 
Pff RT is a nice to have but not a game breaker for me. Tried to get a 6800Xt at the time, just couldnt get one, AMD site was awful for UK users. Ended up with a 3080 FE which I am more than happy with.

Keys for AMD will be availability, performance and price. Absolutely no need to match the 4090, they just need to own the mid to higher range at decent prices.
 
Gerard said:
You predicted something that was pretty much a certainty seeing as that was their first iteration of ray tracing support? Things have moved on since then.
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We will see in a few weeks time. I'm going to predict they're still behind NVIDIA.

Promise I'm not using a crystal ball.
 
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