Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series

[g67575]

Why would AMD market machine not putting anything in the news cycles to counter this especially to divert valuable high end customers away from Nvidia. The only fathomable reason is that they cannot compete so happy let people to speculate and let people wait on the false hope that someone great will come along with better pricing than the 4090.

It's mostly that Nvidia is still ahead, has been for a long time. No need to rush rumours out, when I'm sure they've still got loads of high end, high priced rdna2 cards to shift. So, they don't mention the November release date often.

6800 XTs still going for £700 ish.

Judging by 6900XT pricing, I reckon there's not many left of this model (I doubt they produced many anyway).

 

[ICDP]

My sarcastict point was that you would be correct and that it is not a particulary astounding prediction to make.

 

[aoaaron]

Wrong, im talking about the upcoming release, not the previous release which was pretty much known wouldn't have balls out rt performance. You didn't "predict" anything, you're trying to this time around when not much is known about rt performance.

This is the definition of the word predict:


predict
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verb

1. say or estimate that (a specified thing) will happen in the future or will be a consequence of something.

I am predicting or estimating that AMD will have inferior RT capabilities to the NVIDIA 4000 series cards and equivalents with inferior feature sets which do not match NVIDIA's upscaling technology and motion interpolation features (DLSS 3.0, their frame generation). This prediction is based off of AMD's previous releases and NVIDIA's recent showing.

I can predict. Whether my prediction is right or not, we'll see in a few weeks.

 

[ICDP]

Let’s see what happens. I think if they can get more they would have advertised or blown that trumpet as hard as they could. For me I think 50% is probably average (or a upper limit) with some odd titles seeing disproportionate increase. AMD is guilty of messaging figures as much as Intel and Nvidia.

Also let’s play the marketing game here. 4090 review is out. Other than the pricing of the card being stupidly high and DLSS3 and frame generation making up weird frames and increase input latency. Every aspect of that card is pretty impressive.

Why would AMD market machine not putting anything in the news cycles to counter this especially to divert valuable high end customers away from Nvidia. The only fathomable reason is that they cannot compete so happy let people to speculate and let people wait on the false hope that someone great will come along with better pricing than the 4090.

Because they didn't do it last time when they had a GPU that could beat 3090 in raster. There was nothing but rumours and conjecture and we were still guessing right up to release, yet AMD were not sharing any real info. The only time AMD tried to play the PR BS is when that guy Raja Koduri was in charge of the GPU division. They failed abysmally under him to be frank.

So all these posts that AMD should be giving more leaks/info are not based on previous AMD behaviour. At least not since Raja left, (was shown the door).

If you can't wait until the official info is released, or more pertinently for the actual release. Then that is not down to AMD, it is down to you.

 

[aoaaron]

My sarcastict point was that you would be correct and that it is not a particulary astounding prediction to make.

Gerard doesn't seem to think so, which is the post I was responding to.

 

[Gerard]

This is the definition of the word predict:


predict
/prɪˈdɪkt/
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verb

1. say or estimate that (a specified thing) will happen in the future or will be a consequence of something.

I am predicting or estimating that AMD will have inferior RT capabilities to the NVIDIA 4000 series cards and equivalents with inferior feature sets which do not match NVIDIA's upscaling technology and motion interpolation features (DLSS 3.0, their frame generation).

I can predict. Whether my prediction is right or not, we'll see in a few weeks.

And again thats not what im saying, you're claiming you did this last time around when there were already plenty of leaks saying their rt performance was lacking compared to the nvidia offerings, you just went with the leaks and they were right. So Mystic Meg can rest safe.

 

[pc-guy]

inferior feature sets which do not match NVIDIA's upscaling technology and motion interpolation features (DLSS 3.0, their frame generation).

personally or for anyone plays online or MMO or high fps games, that is literally a bad thing. If you play RP games by yourself then fair enough.

 

[aoaaron]

And again thats not what im saying, you're claiming you did this last time around when there were already plenty of leaks saying their rt performance was lacking compared to the nvidia offerings, you just went with the leaks and they were right. So Mystic Meg can rest safe.

I'm predicting for THIS release right now.

I'm stating AMD will have inferior ray tracing capabilities, will not match NVIDIA's feature set but will match rasterisation.

 

[aoaaron]

personally or for anyone plays online or MMO or high fps games, that is literally a bad thing. If you play RP games by yourself then fair enough.

I don't disagree. It's just nice to have options. If someone feels DLSS, the weird frame thing and ray tracing aren't important, then saving £100-£150 with AMD seems like a very smart move IMO.

 

[Gerard]

I'm predicting for THIS release right now.

I'm stating AMD will have inferior ray tracing capabilities, will not match NVIDIA's feature set but will match rasterisation.

Yes you're doing it this time around with little to no info about rt performance, i already mentiioned that, but last time around there was already info doing the rounds so it was hardly surprising when all leaks basically said the saame thing.

 

[aoaaron]

Yes you're doing it this time around with little to no info about rt performance, i already mentiioned that, but last time around there was already info doing the rounds so it was hardly surprising when all leaks basicallty said the saame thing.

So lets see if I am right in a few weeks.

I have a feeling I'll be right

 

[humbug]

I'm predicting for THIS release right now.

I'm stating AMD will have inferior ray tracing capabilities, will not match NVIDIA's feature set but will match rasterisation.

Right it wont have DLSS 3.

Every time someone posts "BuT AmdEE No DLsS" i'm going to post this....

 

[Gerard]

So lets see if I am right in a few weeks.

I have a feeling I'll be right

I would imagine nvidia would be a bit ahead still seeing as they had a headstart on introducing the tech massively prematurely. Hence all the upscaling gimmicks as the cards simply aren't powerful enough to do rt "natively" in most games.

 

[brostradamus]

that pic is a click bait, the devs didnt use dlss flags as someone pointed out on twitter

 

[humbug]

that pic is a click bait, the devs didnt use dlss flags as someone pointed out on twitter

Its getting posted, people can make their excuses for it all they like its not getting silenced.

 

[aoaaron]

Right it wont have DLSS 3.

Every time someone posts "BuT AmdEE No DLsS" i'm going to post this....

I'm not saying its amazing. The Frame generation thing reminds me of DLSS 1.0, will requite a lot of work to get good but its promising to have a new feature in development. I'd say 4XXX owners are BETA testers who might see the fruits of NVIDIA's labour in 6 months or so.

DLSS 1.0 looked awful at the start. FSR looked awful at the start too at times.

This still doesn't discount the superiority of DLSS which nearly every DLSS vs FSR comparison has given in the last year or RT performance.

I would imagine nvidia would be a bit ahead still seeing as they had a headstart on introducing the tech massively prematurely. Hence all the upscaling gimmicks as the cards simply aren't powerful enough to do rt "natively" in most games.

So.. we are now agreeing that AMD will have inferior RT to AMD in the next iteration of cards?

I think AMD are going to be very confident in challenging the mid-range and thats why they've let NVIDIA have their time in the spotlight with the 4090 launch but have a very competitive hand to hopefully challenge (and hopefully destroy them) in the 4080/4070 territory. We need that price range to come down or PC gaming becomes a rich man's only club which would be horrible.

But, I just don't trust AMD either. I really hate NVIDIA's price gouging but historically, when NVIDIA bend us over, AMD do the same with a very small discount and rubbish stock levels. I hope I'm wrong and they see an oppurtunity to take advantage of the grotesque pricing of the 4080 and the shameful attempted hustling of the 4070/408012GB.


I'm shopping at the 4090 range of performance for triple 4K monitors but I'm not a fan of NVIDIA exactly. If I had a single 4K screen, I'd be waiting for AMD.

But I have a strong feeling AMD aren't going to be offering a card which betters the 4090 so I'm stuck.

 

[Gerard]

So.. we are now agreeing that AMD will have inferior RT to AMD in the next iteration of cards?

It would just be the most obvious conclusion to draw seeing as nvidia have had a head start, they may well be ahead but it could be by a negligable amount for all we know. Though AMD have surprised us before, their raster performance being on par with nvidia in the 6 series compared to what it was in the 5 series was a massive leap, before launch people were saying that if they could equal 2080ti it would be a big jump, but they far exceeded that. Maybe they can do it again on RT performance, who knows?

Not really in the market for a top end card at the minute so i really couldn't give a flying **** one way or the other, might get a 3060 or something to aid in video rendering as my gaming interest has basically vanished.

 

[humbug]

I'm not saying its amazing. The Frame generation thing reminds me of DLSS 1.0, will requite a lot of work to get good but its promising to have a new feature in development. I'd say 4XXX owners are BETA testers who might see the fruits of NVIDIA's labour in 6 months or so.

DLSS 1.0 looked awful at the start. FSR looked awful at the start too at times.

This still doesn't discount the superiority of DLSS which nearly every DLSS vs FSR comparison has given in the last year or RT performance.



So.. we are now agreeing that AMD will have inferior RT to AMD in the next iteration of cards?

I think AMD are going to be very confident in challenging the mid-range and thats why they've let NVIDIA have their time in the spotlight with the 4090 launch but have a very competitive hand to hopefully challenge (and hopefully destroy them) in the 4080/4070 territory. We need that price range to come down or PC gaming becomes a rich man's only club which would be horrible.

But, I just don't trust AMD either. I really hate NVIDIA's price gouging but historically, when NVIDIA bend us over, AMD do the same with a very small discount and rubbish stock levels. I hope I'm wrong and they see an oppurtunity to take advantage of the grotesque pricing of the 4080 and the shameful attempted hustling of the 4070/408012GB.

People said DLSS 1 was "better than Native" that didn't stop when it was proven not to be and of course continued on pretending science fiction is real through every new iteration of it, even some tech journalists got on board with that marketing because they don't understand you cannot create something from nothing, the absence of something it not the basis for anything.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

Because they didn't do it last time when they had a GPU that could beat 3090 in raster.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[humbug]

We used to take the #### out of Game Consoles for doing exactly this sort of crap, ridiculed for pretending that an up scaled 1080P image was actually a 4K image.

Nvidia are just better at marketing and a lot of people have a tendency for wanting to believe, just like the console crowed.

The result is increasingly worse products for an increasingly higher price and the fact that so many of us clap and cheer this on like demented seals says more about us than Nvidia.