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Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series

Purgatory said:
The best recent one is the fake transistor count on 40 series that makes no sense. Just have to look at Hopper that is a much larger die on the same process but has 80 Billion.

Hopper H100 814 mm² 4N 80 Billion Transistors (5nm TSMC)

ADA AD102 600mm² 4N 75 Billion Transistors (5nm TSMC).

Ampere GA100 826 mm² 54.2 Billion Transistors @ 7nm TSMC. (NO fake N node names).

Ampere GA102 628 mm² 8N 28.3 Billion Transistors (Samsung 10nm)

Something doesn't add up here to me and I'm calling AD102 with 75 Billion BS and a Nvidia made up number as with their fake process sizes they make up.
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Explain what part you think is wrong and I'll tell you why you are wrong
 
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Grim5 said:
Explain what part you think is wrong and I'll tell you why you are wrong
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Just tell me why I'm wrong...


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The maths to me makes no sense unless Hopper is a huge die that is full of empty space, yes I know they design some dies large so they can put more heat dispersion areas or more ground planes etc etc. Also I know ADA has a lot of cache and someone stated it is because they are counting that and cache is very dense so can squeeze a lot of transistors in an area. .. But I'm still calling the 75 Billion transistors BS on ADA.


Hopper H100 814 mm² 4N 80 Billion Transistors (5nm TSMC)


ADA AD102 608 mm² 4N 75 Billion Transistors (5nm TSMC).


206mm² H100 Hopper is larger than AD102, but only a 5 Billion transistor count difference on the same process node.
 
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I wonder if there is any chance of a RX 6700 XT successor, that is ~50% faster, and costs 50% more?

That would mean it would cost around £600, as the cheapest 6700 XTs cost just under £400 at the moment.

I'd probably be willing to pay another £50 for a card that is another 10% faster, and so on. But definitely no more than £700!

Alternatively, it could be priced based on the 6700 XT's MSRP price of 479 USD, plus 20% VAT, which is approx. £470. Then another 50% on top...

The problem is, I need a card by the end of December really (I'm borrowing a RTX 3070 until then), so it looks like I'm going to be stuck with the onboard graphics chip on my Zen 4 CPU for a little while.
 
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7700XT wont be out by then. The performance was rumoured to be on par with a 6950XT though, might have less vram.
 
No doubt AMD wants to sell lots more RDNA2 cards over Christmas, maybe we won't even hear anything about the 7700 XT and 7800 XT until January or February 2023.
 
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gpuerrilla said:
7700XT wont be out by then. The performance was rumoured to be on par with a 6950XT though, might have less vram.
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That was before AMD decided to use the 7800XT die as a 7900XT, so now they'll be using the 7700XT as a 7800XT which will likely mean the 7700XT will use the 7600XT die and end up only 15-20% faster than a 6700XT.

If we say the 6950XT is the baseline line then this is how I'm expecting the new cards to stack up.

7900XTX +50%
7900XT +30%
7800XT +5%
7700XT -10%
7600XT -25%

4080 +30%
4070ti 0%
4060ti -15%
4060 -35%
 
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g67575 said:
Do you think these cards will be priced affordably? E.g. Closer to £500 than £1000 in the UK?
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Well considering stock of the 6700's and 6750 might be depleted by then I would say the msrp of this would be around $600. It would be great if they could launch it close to £500, I am so far seeing both brands seem to be launching on the high side compared to last gen but there is plenty of time to see adjustments maybe from a stronger pound and a frugal buyer hasn't got so much cash spare will make the stock situation interesting.
 
It does seem pretty ridiculous that new RTX 3080 10GB cards are still frequently being sold for ~£1000.

>2 years after release.

Even £800 is a rip off.

What the hell happened, surely that can't all be down to inflation?
 
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g67575 said:
It does seem pretty ridiculous that new RTX 3080 10GB cards are still frequently being sold for ~£1000.

Even £800 is a rip off.

What the hell happened, surely that can't all be down to inflation?
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I wonder if sellers are expecting the approaching Christmas holiday to pressure people into paying inflated prices for GPU's as gifts for the computer geek in their life?
 
tbh, I'm very interested in the price of the RTX 4070.

Will this be a mass market product, like the RTX 3070, or not?

I think there's almost an obsession with the technology and new features (Ray Tracing, DLSS 3, 1000 FPS displays etc), ultimately the only interesting /relevant thing to 90% of buyers will be the price. The only thing that really matters is are new GPUs affordable?

The other thing people obsess over is seeing generational improvements (even if the last generation was considered unaffordable to many).

Good launch day reviews never make up for overpriced products.
 
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The question will be is the 4070 worth the wait when its likely going to be no better than a 3080 and cost more.
 
gpuerrilla said:
The question will be is the 4070 worth the wait when its likely going to be no better than a 3080 and cost more.
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Nvidia isn't that stupid. They are very focused on maximizing their profits though.

Nvidia is going to face a lot of competition from AMD, against their RTX 4070, and probable RTX 4070 TI, likely in the first and 2nd quarters of 2023.
 
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The sad part is while the 7900XTX looks good at 1k the 7900XT looks poor in comparison at £900 and I imagine the rest of the line up won't look particularly impressive either.
 
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