I just don't see how she'll possibly be able to survive her sentence before she takes the cowards way out or someone else does it for her. On the latter of this remark I don't think there's enough of a disincentive for depriving the country of justice and it really ought to be an automatic life sentence for doing so.
Nurse arrested for murdering babies
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Yeah it's another tough decision. Like you say, for the absolute psychopaths in this world who will just point and laugh at the victims family - will just make things feel worse than having an empty dock during sentencing.
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It's for people like this, you hope that hell really does exist.
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Handcuff and gag em
That just makes them a spectacle and it may very well be what an ego-obsessed serial killer wants.
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If you are pleading not guilty you can't show remorse - why should you have any if you are innocent, you didn't do it. It has been an all or nothing defence stratagy; not sure if the sentance would have been lighter if she'd owned up, so mamy damning factors.
Wasn't sure if it mattered that she wasn't there for the sentancing, but having watched the judge, I do think they should be there. She watched those children lose their lives and the parents should have got to see her effectively lose hers.
I don't know why, but I get Jeffrey Dahmer vibes from her.
The way she slowly messed up her victims, in some cases they'd recover - then she'd have another go, all the time being completely calm and in control, whilst her victims remained totally helpless.
Also doing it almost in plain sight, in view of doctors and in some cases family members, looking at their facebook posts, sending them condolence cards and stuff...
The way she slowly messed up her victims, in some cases they'd recover - then she'd have another go, all the time being completely calm and in control, whilst her victims remained totally helpless.
Also doing it almost in plain sight, in view of doctors and in some cases family members, looking at their facebook posts, sending them condolence cards and stuff...
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Any idea what her motive was? Most murders tend to be for sexual gain, financial gain or to get revenge on someone e.g. gang rivalry, but these baby killings don't seem to fit any of these. Maybe she didn't like the hospital where she worked and wanted to give it a bad name, or to tarnish the NHS' reputation even further?
Munchausen syndrome by proxy?
I don't think there's a motive any right minded person can comprehend.
I read what somebody said about Munchausen by proxy, but that normally involves creating a ficitious disease to instigate treatment which isn't needed - a cry for help.
In some of these deaths, Letby had caused violent injuries to the windpipe, liver and other parts of the baby, that for me it just sounds like deranged violent murder.
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Only vague other factor seems to that it brought her into contact with a doctor that she had some kind of relatioship with.
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if it gives the relatives the chance to look at them receiving their just punishment then so be it
Insane to think what one relationship could have triggered a person to then go and do. Whoever that man is, he unleashed something...
Definitely gives off psychopath vibes. She was apparently well liked when she first joined the teams, as she was very calm and collected in high stress situations, and also seems to have successfully manipulated people for years to make management believe that other people were the problem. The text messages she sent around the time of each murder are also absolutely sickening. Collecting memorabilia is another telling sign.
Not convinced it was Munchausen syndrome by proxy either.
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Imagine how guilty you'd be as that guy as well! For something you had absolutely zero input over!
Yeah,
I don't know if you saw the interview with Dr Ravi on ITV news, but it's worth a watch - he was one of the doctors who was most suspicious about her.
Apparently he went to check on her as she'd been left alone with a baby and he wanted to make sure everything was ok (as he was suspicious about her) and he could see the hospital machine showed the oxygen saturation levels were basically almost zero.
Letby was just stood there, looking at the baby on her own, motionless - normally there would be an alarm and action stations going off, but she just stood looking at it.
It leads me to believe she was getting some sort of pleasure or satisfaction from it... The murder itself would be one thing, but the way she apparently stood and just watched, is a massive aggravating factor, for some very serious mental health/psychopath problems.
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Needs to be a serious investigation over this. A nurse is not a senior position with full autonomy - where were the managerial staff, doctors, consultants in all this? No matter how well she tried to hide the crimes, the patterns surely should have been detectable sooner.
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Have you read any of the thread?
