Nurse arrested for murdering babies

[Kenai]

You'll always get crackpot self-confessed super-scientist wordpress bloggers, who have some up with some mental alcohol fueled "theory", when all they've done is overcomplicate everything and ignore the basic evidence because they were probably wrecked when they wrote it.

Without making any comment on the content of the link, I don't think he's your average lunatic blogger

Richard David Gill (born 11 September 1951) is a mathematician born in the United Kingdom who has lived in the Netherlands since 1974. As a probability theorist and statistician, Gill is most well known for his research on counting processes and survival analysis, some of which has appeared in an advanced textbook. Now retired, he was the chair of mathematical statistics at Leiden University. Gill is also known for his pro bono consulting and advocacy on behalf of victims of incompetent statistical testimony, including a Dutch nurse who was wrongfully convicted and jailed for six years.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Injecting air into the venous blood system of babies, for me contains a level of malice and cruelty which sends chills down my spine, it really does.

Yep, truly evil....

 

[Felon]

Without making any comment on the content of the link, I don't think he's your average lunatic blogger

I don't really care who a person is, or what their credentials are, I'm more interested how they're making their decisions.

He's cherry picking the things that support her being innocent, when you drill down into any of the specific claims he's making - many of them can be proved wrong, or are at best - not as simple as he's claiming.

 

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The Lucy Letby case

Lucy Letby enjoys prosecco at a small new year party with friends and family at her home (?). Lucy Letby appearing via video link at court in Warrington, England, Thursday Nov. 12, 2020, charged wi…

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I make no judgment on whether this is total nonsense or not but can somebody in the medical field comment on how accurate these claims are?

This is what the trial was for. I'm not sure trying to second guess without the full information is valuable.

 

[Pawnless Endgame]

Munchausen syndrome by proxy?

I read what somebody said about Munchausen by proxy, but that normally involves creating a ficitious disease to instigate treatment which isn't needed - a cry for help.

Thanks. I had to look up Munchausen syndrome.

 

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I don't really care who a person is, or what their credentials are, I'm more interested how they're making their decisions.

He's cherry picking the things that support her being innocent, when you drill down into any of the specific claims he's making - many of them can be proved wrong, or are at best - not as simple as he's claiming.

But he was involved in a similar case whereby the circumstances were similar and his work led to her being found innocent.

I am not saying he's right but he's more than just a randomer. I just wanted to know if any of the claims were reasonable that's all.

 

[Junglist]

Not paid much attention to this case. Having recently become a new parent, reading about how someone you look to for help and trust during what should be a special moment in your life violate you in the way this thing did... I couldn't hack it. But annoyingly despite my best efforts to avoid the case something flashed up on my instagram about her sentence and what she did to some of those babies...

I don't agree with the death penalty. Never have and likely never will agree with it as it just seems like a revenge vessel and nothing else. However, saying that... I'd gladly put my name forwards to give her a little shove off of whatever platform they can find for her

 

[Kenai]

I don't really care who a person is, or what their credentials are, I'm more interested how they're making their decisions.

He's cherry picking the things that support her being innocent, when you drill down into any of the specific claims he's making - many of them can be proved wrong, or are at best - not as simple as he's claiming.

If there are flaws in what's being said, then i've no quarrel with that being pointed out but the way you posted about crackpot bloggers made it appear that you were more readily dismissing him simply based on who he was and his credentials (or perhaps more accurately who he wasn't and what credentials he didn't have).

I didn't think that was a fair approach to take with someone who has actually had active involvement in a similar case and probably has something to say worth listening to and giving the dignity of an actual consideration, which I wouldn't say of any random blogger cooking up theories under the influence

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Well that is what the evidence says.

There's something seriously wrong with you

 

[McBain]

I'm not a medical person, but I don't think it's very hard to prove wrong.

Firstly, when Letby was on duty - the numbers of babies dying or getting seriously ill was insane.

Secondly, they found a note at her house saying "I did this" "I killed them on purpose"

You'll always get crackpot self-confessed super-scientist wordpress bloggers, who have some up with some mental alcohol fueled "theory", when all they've done is overcomplicate everything and ignore the basic evidence because they were probably wrecked when they wrote it.

In the BBC documentary they showcased a chart of staff involvement in each baby incident, I think it was 20 odd and Letby was the only staff member on duty for every single incident.

 

[Felon]

I didn't think that was a fair approach to take with someone who has actually had active involvement in a similar case and probably has something to say worth listening to and giving the dignity of an actual consideration, which I wouldn't say of any random blogger cooking up theories under the influence

I've read a lot of similar things over the years, and there's always one very big common factor that links them all:

They're very good at getting stuck into technicalities, getting buried in the weeds on some or multiple issues which are very technical, whilst ignoring or writing off obvious evidence or facts which cause their hypothesis serious problems.

They're often - despite calling themselves scientific, highly unscientific in how they go about things. In the case of this person - his hypothesis is that she's innocent, but he makes no attempt to disprove his hypothesis whatsoever, and instead cherrypicks technicalities to try and uphold it, which isn't scientific.

In the BBC documentary they showcased a chart of staff involvement in each baby death, I think it was 20 odd and Letby was the only staff member involved in every single death.

Yeah, outside of the scientific or forensic evidence, there are three big incriminating pieces of evidence.

1. A note found at her house, which is tantamount to a written confession.
2. The shift notes place her with each victim at the time of death or injury, on every single occasion.
3. She cooked the shift books and falsified the records to try and cover her tracks, or put the blame on someone else.

Those three pieces on their own, are difficult to argue around.

 

[Feek]

In the BBC documentary they showcased a chart of staff involvement in each baby incident, I think it was 20 odd and Letby was the only staff member on duty for every single incident.

It's like OR #8 in Coma all over again.

 

[Bassmansam]

I wonder if 33 and single had at least some part to play. That and her failed advances on a married colleague.

She definitely gives off psychopath vibes though. Chilling...

surely that doesn't make you go and do these horrific crimes. Plenty of people are single in their 30s and 40s ect.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

surely that doesn't make you go and do these horrific crimes. Plenty of people are single in their 30s and 40s ect.

Frankly what we all do is try grasp at straws to answer "why?", we try to look for logical reasons where there are none. The reality is she's utterly clapped and total psychopath....

That's why she can die in prison.

Edit: The note is the most interesting part to me, she was at least aware to some degree that she was a monster.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

surely that doesn't make you go and do these horrific crimes. Plenty of people are single in their 30s and 40s ect.

Personally I think she's just a psychopath which isn't really that rare. 1% of the general population apparently which is around 670k people in the UK. Some join the police, some operate as CEOs and some evidently become nurses.

 

[Felon]

Edit: The note is the most interesting part to me, she was at least aware to some degree that she was a monster.

Yeah same,

It's like a weird window into her mind, the parts where she's writing "I want someone to help me" "I can't do it anymore" etc etc, with "HELP" written in thick black letters over the top.

It's like she know's what she's doing but she can't control it, a monster like you say.

 

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There's something seriously wrong with you

That isn't what I meant it to come across like. I meant she is guilty as that is what the evidence says.

I literally posted before that, that I thought she was guilty!

 

[danoliver1]

There's something seriously wrong with you

This is what the hospital staff should have said to letby.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

This is what the hospital staff should have said to letby.

Agreed!

 

[Quartz]

How many of her former supervisors and managers - especially senior managers - have tendered their resignations? Are those crickets I hear? These people are paid in part to be responsible, and part of that responsibility is being responsible for your employees and tendering your resignation when they blunder or misbehave badly enough.