Nurse arrested for murdering babies

Haven't been following closely.

Has it been concluded that she has some sort of mental condition?

I mean, she must have, it's just beyond comprehension.

Haven't really read anything to begin to justify "why"
 
Werewolf said:
Because if you average 12 deaths a year and one year you get 13 that is "above average", or if you are working on a neonatal ward and you get 1 death most years, then one year you get a trio of dead triplets when the mother gets an infection whilst pregnant that's way above the "average" despite it potentially being one incident.

Remember your "average" is just that, it's a statistical point between several sets of numbers, very few places will actually be the mean or median most will by definition be above or below it for one reason or another, and for a ward of a type where deaths are rare it might only take one extra incident to push it well over the "average" and yet the next year it might be well below.
Medicine is the sort of thing where there are so many variables that are out of anyone's control that if you start investigating every time there is a change to "above average" you're going to be chasing a lot of red herrings. Hence if you do start to do it you need to be very careful about what you consider the default/automatic starting point (whilst also allowing for starting an investigation earlier), otherwise it's load more of the red tape, management and money wasted that so many people go on about (usually without ever understanding the reasoning).

This case should have been ringing every alarm in the building for the management when they started getting multiple deaths in a very short space of time.
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Still didn’t agree, if you are getting two deaths a year and all of a sudden you get four you should investigate why to improve.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Because we had so much trouble with Stafford Hospital deaths, now County Hospital, our Trust is on the ball.
Earlier this year two strange deaths occurred on a ward and I was involved getting records to the Police and Experts.
It was all kept quiet between Clinicians who reported it, the Police and my department to see if another happened and it just turned out to be two unexpected RIPs.
It was a lot of work but our Trust takes these figures seriously since Stafford Hospital.
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You know more than most about the subject matter here but I don’t know if you are agreeing or disagreeing sorry.

If all of a sudden or over a period you are finding you have more deaths that normal why would you not look into it? It might not be intentional like this case it could just be something to learn from.
 
Truly, truly horrific case, monstrous.

Cannot imagine what the parents went, and will continue to go through.

Evil, evil piece of human excrement.
 
Haven't been watching/following that closely, saw the Panorama episode on Letby the other night. The whole thing is so insane, really hard to get your head around, such depravity from someone who seems pretty normal.

Seems she will spend the rest of her life in prison, couldn't have been anything else eh.
 
Kinda agree with the lady on Sky News at the moment re the bringing the defendant up for the verdict. It's not reality tv, dragging them up to courtroom might feel like the right thing but what the defendant does in the dock might cause more distress to the victims families than them not turning up at all.

Do you want the last image of your childs killer to be them laughing at you?
 
They are going to love her in prison. Hopefully they won't let her top herself.She should suffer every single day for a long time.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Just playing Devil's Advocate but what if the accused honestly 100% believe they didn't do it?
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I think there are certain mental medical conditions - not sure if bipolar is extreme enough, where you have like a subconscious controlling your body and making you do stuff that your conscious mind might not necessarily even think about (or is blocked out so you don't even know what it is you're doing). Either way you'd still be deemed an extreme danger to society.

It's just sad really for all involved. I guess she will either try to end her life pretty soon, or will spend the next two thirds of her life behind bars.

I guess what feels really cold about it is the genuine lack of remorse. You've been found out, the evidence quite clearly stacks up against you, yet there's no apology or admitting what you've done. Maybe that part comes over time.
 
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