Soldato
All software like DATIX should be banned asap.
It's misused to much.
Bring the old style of the matron back.
Not the new wishy washy style.
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All software like DATIX should be banned asap.
It's misused to much.
Bring the old style of the matron back.
Not the new wishy washy style.
Caporegime
Datix is used everywhere I've worked.
This is much more likely to be picked up in the mortality reviews or by a whistle-blower, like you suggested.
Caporegime
Used correctly it is a very powerful tool. Yes it gets used for daft things but the idea behind it is solid.
Soldato
And used incorrectly it is a very dangerous tool.
All the community NHS sites in London use it, as far as I know.
Just like anything, eh.
Caporegime
In what way? Yes it's used for tit for tat salvos between individuals for petty things but all it is a way to record concerns and lapses in care. Before systems like that existed everything would just be ignored, never recorded and rarely acted upon.
Soldato
https://www.pslhub.org/learn/investigations-risk-management-and-legal-issues/“i’m-going-to-datix-you”-r2955/
Bring back the tough Matron back who used to watch all the nurses on her ward.
Now it's about companies making money.
Caporegime
It's not dangerous, it's just not using it properly. All of that just gets filtered out on the first review.
Tough matron may have a role, but tough matron doesn't address the bigger picture of clinical risk/adverse events, she'd just bully the nurses. Even that doesn't work amazingly, just the other day I had to force a colleague to go home who should have been isolating. They had come to work as they were too scared to call in sick.
Soldato
Of course it's dangerous.
Someone could do something bad. then blame it on another person via software.
Calling highly trained nurses bully's is just stupid.
I remember them. They used to check on everything a nurse did.
Caporegime
You can blame someone in many ways, doing it on a DATIX is no different to any other. It's not dangerous at all, the system is a vital part of a safe culture within the NHS. Most places explicitly state you do not name individuals in DATIXs as it is not about blame but about addressing risk/improving care. To say that it simply should be scrapped is just nonsense. I'm not sure you understand how it is used.
Matron's may have checked everything a nurse did, and that has it's place, but the old school matron was part of a rigid hierarchy and a culture of fear, which caused plenty of other problems. Saying Matron's replace a system for recording and addressing risk and poor care doesn't wash.
Most places have recognised that rigid hierarchy isn't a healthy way of working (although we may have slipped too far the other way now). There absolutely is bullying at all levels in NHS, highly trained doctors/nurses are all perfectly capable of bullying even in this day. It's not stupid to be aware of that.
Soldato
I disagree with all that made up stuff.
Got to ask. Have you ever been in a hospital with a Matron\Head Nurse?
I have many times.
If the NHS hospital that I was in had a Matron|Head Nurse to check up on what the nurses did.
I would be back in FL living it up. And not in a electric wheelchair because a nurse ****** up because no one checked on her and what she did.
I have met many many more people in this position in the UK.
Caporegime
You can disagree with me as much as you like, but none of it is made up at all. We are coming at this from very different perspectives, I am an NHS consultant and have worked in the NHS for 12 years, along with another 6 as a medical student. I work on wards with both matrons (more "modern matrons" rather than an old school ones) and a head nurses (one is pretty old school).
You seem to think a system like DATIX and the role of a matron address the same issues. They do not, although they may over-lap peripherally. DATIX is a tool, one that a matron/lead nurse can use in her role but it also used by many others. They are not mutually exclusive in any way and to scrap a risk reporting system would leave hospitals and patients very vulnerable.
Your point about a lack of oversight of nursing care I actually agree with but the old-fashioned rigid hierarchical nursing management causes other issues and I think it is a balance, one I think most places don't get right, but the existence of a risk reporting system has nothing to do with that. The main issues is the abysmal staffing levels within the NHS in general. Having a Matron checking for dust and adherence to the uniform code does not fix that.
Caporegime
Soldato
So you have never worked with a Matron or Head nurse.
Which is what I asked.
A Head Nurse is only old school in the UK.
But you want a super rich company with software to replace people...got ya
Maybe people these days need to learn from constructive criticism instead of moaning.
Caporegime
How did you manage to draw that conclusion from what I wrote? I work on a daily basis with our Matrons and head nurses.
Are you ok hun?
You've lost me.
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Soldato
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A system like DATIX means that, in theory, you have a consistent standard of reporting and a large set of data across multiple sites. It means performance and issues can be analysed consistently at local and regional levels.
Input quality does vary, but that's largely a training issue.
A single member of staff handling serious issues will apply subjective judgement and cannot be everywhere at once. You have to rely on everyone seeing everything and making the right choices every time. And they need to report and escalate in some way, whatever happens.
This isn't to say staff members should not intervene when they see bad practice. That's a given.
Soldato
I bet she pleads not guilty.
She'll never admit to or explain her actions until the day she dies. They'll be plenty of speculation but no explanation. Typical psychopathic stuff.
She'll never admit to or explain her actions until the day she dies. They'll be plenty of speculation but no explanation. Typical psychopathic stuff.
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You are talking to an emotional person who has an axe to grind with the health service, by the sounds of it. I don't think the argument is winnable.
Man of Honour
The whistleblower would have reported it and then it would eventually end up in a legal department where we would be getting witness statements from all involved.
i would say for the cops to be involved there would be a case however I've also see massive cases where staff have walked away.
I think we have 43 and guess what, they use DATIX because it would be impossible to remember everything in their heads.
That is actually nice to know that all the Trusts use the same thing.
Most systems are completely different everywhere.
Soldato
So you know the new modern matrons.
Not the ones that check on what a nurse is doing or has done.
My local Hospital has put an old fashioned Matron on some wards because of the mistakes 1 or 2 nurses did.
And the place was being sued left right and centre.
Things are now looking brighter and better.
I will leave it at that.