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200sols said:
It literally is. Totally different case as well. People really think an whole life tariff is better than death penalty on the off chance someone is innocent are deluded. Just saying you are against killing other humans or the death penalty doesn't work and pointing at America would be better.
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You mean the America where a 2014 study estimated that at least 4% of those sentenced to death are innocent?

Or do you mean the America where, since 1973, 192 death row prisoners where exonerated?
 
200sols said:
Indeed that is the case. Actually all of these wrong convictions that people cite would never have made it to the death penalty due to the timescales involved.
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Utter nonsense. In the UK when we did have the death penalty this happened routinely. It was one of the reasons we removed it.

And since when did time scales make any difference? Troy Davis was on death row for years, it is pretty arguable if he was actually guilty or not. Certainly not "beyond all doubt" to kill him.
 
Dialup said:
In the UK there was not a long process at all. It was a matter of weeks by law.

If we had had the death penalty there is no doubt in the last thirty years that 10s of people would have been killed who were innocent!
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I'm not talking about when we had the death penalty, I thought that much was obvious... The discussion is around if it were reintroduced.

Reading comprehension really isn't your thing is it.
 
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Murphy said:
You mean the America where a 2014 study estimated that at least 4% of those sentenced to death are innocent?

Or do you mean the America where, since 1973, 192 death row prisoners where exonerated?
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Thanks for proving my point that a better argument for those against the death penalty would be to just cite america. Our legal systems are not directly comparable though. The bar for whole life tariffs is incredibly high.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
I'm not talking about when we had the death penalty, I thought that much was obvious... The discussion is around if it were reintroduced.

Reading comprehension really isn't your thing is it.
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You're proclaiming a solution which has been proven time and time again to kill innocent people.

It's a simple question, if it was reintroduced how does any length of time mean somebody can't be wrongfully killed...unless you don't kill anyone?
 
200sols said:
Thanks for proving my point that a better argument for those against the death penalty would be to just cite america. Our legal systems are not directly comparable though. The bar for whole life tariffs is incredibly high.
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You mean this us?
1966
  • Timothy Evans, convicted of the murder of his infant daughter Geraldine in 1950, was hanged on March 9, 1950, and posthumously pardoned in 1966.
1998
  • Mahmood Hussein Mattan, convicted and hanged 1952, conviction quashed 1998.
  • Derek Bentley, convicted 1952, executed 1953, pardoned 1993, conviction quashed 1998.
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Dialup said:
You're proclaiming a solution which has been proven time and time again to kill innocent people.

It's a simple question, if it was reintroduced how does any length of time mean somebody can't be wrongfully killed...unless you don't kill anyone?
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Again, reading comprehension.

Go back and read my post again and explain how I'm proclaiming it as a solution. I was actually challenging @200sol's views on reintroduction.

You seem to be far too emotional to discuss this issue rationally.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Again, reading comprehension.

Go back and read my post again and explain how I'm proclaiming it as a solution. I was actually challenging @200sol's views on reintroduction.

You seem to be far too emotional to discuss this issue rationally.
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I don't think you can blame anyone for being emotional about an issue whereby innocent people get killed. But I acknowledge and concede that I misunderstood your point.
 
IvanDobskey said:
I honestly believe the death penalty should be there for extremely evil crimes. This would certainly fit that bracket.
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And if they are later found innocent as has happened countless times, we've killed the wrong person.

Not to mention that taking a life when a life has not been taken is not justice, that is revenge (to paraphrase Desmond Tutu).
 
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