But you're not actually good to go - as the reviews have all pointed out, if your card wasn't fast enough before FG then adding FG doesn't actually help the experience - even if it's visually smoother, you are still limited by responsiveness and have in fact made it worse, and you're more (though IMHO not massively) likely to notice artefacts.
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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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yes all 3000 series should be much lower in price right now, was going to get a 3080 until saw transient power spike issues, 4070ti much safer bet at these prices.
4070ti in a lot of ways is perfect card for most gamers as it gets 120fps at 1440p ( will be another 3 years before 4k gaming moves more mainstream )
well in next few weeks we should get the mid range 4 series cards. going to be interesting what happens with all the 3 series cards they got stock piled.
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Is not always input lag when performance drops under 60fps that is annoying, but can be also stutters or, my "favorite", a combination of stutter and lag. If things can get smooth out to a 60fps v synced I'm fine most of the time. To me, another plus will be a lesser strain on the eyes.
Eye strain (if you're sensitive to it) is a fair point - I'd also check out your room lighting if so. Stutter is an interesting one though - I can't remember seeing much analysis on it so far - if it's scene simulation derived stutter then FG might not help all that much. If it's a consistent but just a bit too low frame rate then it is more likely to help.
As much as I wanted the 4070ti to be cheaper (and hopefully it will eventually come down in price, no thanks to me !), I buckled last week and bought one. My GTX1070 has given me about 6 years good service, and was going to be replaced with a 3080, but scalping/mining put a stop to that. The 4070ti is a no-brainer for me - 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor, 650w PSU. I hope I'll not be looking at upgrading for at least 3 years.
Rtx4090 and 4080 laptop reviews are out
My estimate of performance was nearly spot on, it's very slightly slower than I expected. I expected the 4090 laptops to match a desktop 3090ti, but they only match a desktop 3090 in raster and desktop 4070ti in Ray tracing.
Still extremely impressive numbers for a 150w laptop. The 4090 laptop only runs at 2ghz under load, that's significantly less than desktop cards but the huge core count is where its performance comes from.
The 4080 laptop is far less impressive, like Nvidia did on desktop, the 4080 series got the nerf stick and so the 4090 laptop is about 70-80% faster than the 4080 laptop
wccftech.com
My estimate of performance was nearly spot on, it's very slightly slower than I expected. I expected the 4090 laptops to match a desktop 3090ti, but they only match a desktop 3090 in raster and desktop 4070ti in Ray tracing.
Still extremely impressive numbers for a 150w laptop. The 4090 laptop only runs at 2ghz under load, that's significantly less than desktop cards but the huge core count is where its performance comes from.
The 4080 laptop is far less impressive, like Nvidia did on desktop, the 4080 series got the nerf stick and so the 4090 laptop is about 70-80% faster than the 4080 laptop
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 & RTX 4080 Laptop GPUs Tested: 4090 On Par With 4070 Ti Desktop
Gaming laptops featuring NVIDIA's fastest GeForce RTX 4090 & 4080 GPUs are now available & first tests show some incredible performance gains.
wccftech.com
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Agreed,
With DLSS 3, the game keeps running at the performance your card is really capable of with DLSS 2. With whatever responsivness & latency it would normally have.
Then an algorithm smears in some in-between frames. It's not real performance. To be honest, in some ways, it's almost more like motion blur - just a visual smoothing on top of the real performance.
Sure, I turned it on in Darktide, but only after making sure I was hitting a base 60fps. It's nicer, I guess ? But when I can't hit the base 60, then it's not going to do much good. It mainly serves to make people happy when they see bigger numbers imo.
I guess I'm especially not the target market, being more of a 4k60 single-player gamer.
Soldato
Response time might not change but surely smoothness of the camera, panning etc makes it worth while. I use DLSS 3 at Native 4k and havent noticed artifacts or anything yet, so "smearing it in" might be a bit extreme.
Yeah, sorry, I don't mean that the artefacts are terrible or anything; my eyes certainly aren't good enough to pick them out.
I just mean that it's interpolated, there's no connection to the underlying control or physics of the game. I guess I was maybe being bit hyperbolic, but given some of the gushing over this tech, a bit of a reality-check doesn't hurt.
'Makes it worthwhile' - yeah, I'd agree. It's something & I'll use it sometimes, but it's pretty much not at all a game-changer, in my opinion.
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I'm not sure what you mean. 60 at 4K is really difficult to maintain for many graphics cards, even more so in demanding titles.
Frame generation helps a lot with minimum framerates / framerate drops in the titles I've seen.
What you get is roughly 2x the framerate, however, half of the frames are not unique, but generated based on the previous frame. It could be described as an illusion, but a convincing one, none the less. The quality appears better than upscaling technologies in my opinion, it may not be needed to use upscaling as well for powerful cards.
The problem I have with frame gen. is the lack of a driver option that would allow it to be used in all Directx or Opengl/Vulkan titles.
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No, because if you're using frame gen, you get the responsivness of the underlying frame-rate.
So it does a very bad job of patching up sub-60-fps performance (it doesn't) & quite a good job of enhancing 60fps + performance (it visually smoothes it out to look quite similar to high-referesh).
In other words, it's great at helping out when you didn't really need it & bad at helping out when you did.
Of course you're right 4k60 is quite a demanding target in itself in some games. On the other hand, I don't mind using DLSS2/ FSR upscaling, & I'm not fussed about RT in most cases, as it gives a very small visual uplift for a high performance cost.
So I'm quite happy that I can dial in a 4k60 performance that suits me. But DLSS3 Frame-Gen isn't going to help me get there. Instead, it can sometimes add a bit of icing on the cake when I already have good performance.
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Tbf I'm ****ed half of the time so looks good to me!!!
The 4070ti is a terrible card for £800+, you should be getting 4080 like 4k performance for that money not some cut down 1440p card with a 60 class bus, this is the reason the 3000 series prices haven't gone down as the 4000 series cards like the 4070ti are barely any better.
3080 > 3090 price gap $800, performance gap 15%.
4070ti > 4090 price gap $800, performance gap 70%.
How anyone can think that's a deal is beyond me.
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It's the prices of the RTX 3000 series that are the reason prices are high now for new cards.
That's because people keep buying 'new' RTX 3070, 3070 TI and 3080s for £500-£800, basically above MSRP reference model pricing.
It's not complicated.
But we keep focusing on the new cards, when AMD and NVIDIA are still focusing on selling last gen products.
AMD has not provided sufficient competition to gradually bring prices down.
The situation won't improve until Nvidia and AMD release more RTX 4000 and RDNA3 cards.
No one is forcing people to buy a RTX 4070 TI/4080/4090.
If you have a RTX 3070/3080 already, then no big deal really...
The only sensible thing to do, is never buy high end cards that cost £800/£1,000, because all that will do is encourage AMD/Nvidia to sell future generations at these prices, or higher.
That's because people keep buying 'new' RTX 3070, 3070 TI and 3080s for £500-£800, basically above MSRP reference model pricing.
It's not complicated.
But we keep focusing on the new cards, when AMD and NVIDIA are still focusing on selling last gen products.
AMD has not provided sufficient competition to gradually bring prices down.
The situation won't improve until Nvidia and AMD release more RTX 4000 and RDNA3 cards.
No one is forcing people to buy a RTX 4070 TI/4080/4090.
If you have a RTX 3070/3080 already, then no big deal really...
The only sensible thing to do, is never buy high end cards that cost £800/£1,000, because all that will do is encourage AMD/Nvidia to sell future generations at these prices, or higher.
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Have you seen the pricing of the new 4080/4090 laptops ? The pricing has gone threw the roof for everything now and you say people buying 3000 series are the problem is not really true the problem is pricing people can afford sometimes will fall into the 3000 series and if you are looking at a 3080 at the current pricing maybe better just to pay 10% more and get the 4070ti.
Reality is anyone with a decent gpu should stick this gen and if you don't have a gpu and need one well the only options available are as we see, so we can't blame people for buying what they can afford and need. Reality is most of the people screaming about all this are people with decent gpus already and don't really need an upgrade and these are the ones that should be keeping their wallets in their pockets this gen.
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cards like the RTX 3090 had an MSRP of $1,499. The RTX 3090 TI had an MSRP of $1,999.
Even the RTX 3080 TI was priced at $1,199.
There's nothing wrong with people buying these cards (when they were available), but it entirely explains the pricing of the RTX 4000 series upto now.
The top cards always set the pattern for the entire series.
$2,000! For a card that is around 20% faster than a £650 RTX 3080. At this point, logic just goes out the window.
The RTX 4090 TI is likely to be $2,000 also, maybe even a little higher.
Even the RTX 3080 TI was priced at $1,199.
There's nothing wrong with people buying these cards (when they were available), but it entirely explains the pricing of the RTX 4000 series upto now.
The top cards always set the pattern for the entire series.
$2,000! For a card that is around 20% faster than a £650 RTX 3080. At this point, logic just goes out the window.
The RTX 4090 TI is likely to be $2,000 also, maybe even a little higher.
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Are you talking about the notebook 4090? Would help if you use quotes or at least make an effort to make your posts clear to read and understand what it is you are talking about.
Yeah and all we need is every PC gamer in the world to all do this at the same time when new hardware is released...
Unfortunately, enjoyment of my free time with the hobbies I love is worth a lot more than saving £500-£1000 every 2-3 years.
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