NVIDIA 4000 Series

[chrcoluk]

Is much cheaper to replace the GPU alone (or any other component), than the whole package: cpu, GPU, ram, motherboard.

So I cant get a cpu, board, and ram for less than £1200?

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[Calin Banc]

So I cant get a cpu, board, and ram for less than £1200?

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You can, but is similar to upgrading your whole desktop just for a really needed GPU upgrade and not much else.

If you'd had a system similar with a console (SoC), an upgrade means changing the whole thing. You want a better GPU and just that? Then you'd pay $1300 for the GPU + the expensive 40-50GBs of GDDR 6x (which may be less than ideal in certain loads) + expensive motherboard + CPU.

This is why I'm saying that a package like the consoles is not friendlier with the wallet, quite the contrary. And I'm not that sure is ideal when it comes to performance as well.

 

[chrcoluk]

You can, but is similar to upgrading your whole desktop just for a really needed GPU upgrade and not much else.

If you'd had a system similar with a console (SoC), an upgrade means changing the whole thing. You want a better GPU and just that? Then you'd pay $1300 for the GPU + the expensive 40-50GBs of GDDR 6x (which may be less than ideal in certain loads) + expensive motherboard + CPU.

This is why I'm saying that a package like the consoles is not friendlier with the wallet, quite the contrary. And I'm not that sure is ideal when it comes to performance as well.

If its SoC, I expect it would just be swapping the board for a higher spec'd one.

So really the board+ram cost. Far cheaper than a modern GPU.

Not ideal, but still better than buying a new GPU surely? More work to swap the board out though.

I feel the day will eventually come the PC platform becomes unified memory anyway, anything thats offloaded to GPU now already uses VRAM anyway, so think discord, game launchers aka steam, web browsers, office apps, games, nvenc encoding tools, and probably more. Whats left thats commonly used?

Unless of course you meant the GPU would have to be on the board as well.

 

[Nevakonaza]

Not been following much in terms of the new gpu realm, but has there been any mentions on a potential release date for 4060/4050s?
OR are they purposely going silent on these to try and push the 4070 sales?
I was looking at the 4000 series pricing and they're all over the place, can't justify any atm lol.

 

[lsg1r]

OR are they purposely going silent on these to try and push the 4070 sales?

You mean trying to push the left over 3000 series...

Honestly there isn't much news out there about anything below a 4070, some rumours are saying production might start end of this month for a 4060 (which will perform similar to a 3070), so a few months away, but I wouldn't be holding my breath for Nvidia to release any lower tier 4000 cards while they're trying to shift their excess 3000 series cards at current inflated prices (sorry but rrp for a 2 year old card when the new version is out is just wrong)...

I've actually read more rumours about a 4090ti than I have 4060...

 

[Calin Banc]

If its SoC, I expect it would just be swapping the board for a higher spec'd one.

So really the board+ram cost. Far cheaper than a modern GPU.

Not ideal, but still better than buying a new GPU surely? More work to swap the board out though.

I feel the day will eventually come the PC platform becomes unified memory anyway, anything thats offloaded to GPU now already uses VRAM anyway, so think discord, game launchers aka steam, web browsers, office apps, games, nvenc encoding tools, and probably more. Whats left thats commonly used?

Unless of course you meant the GPU would have to be on the board as well.

Yes, everything on the board. Perhaps you'd have sockets like on the CPU with extremely fast connectors in order to keep up with fast GPUs, but in that case it will depend on how complex the MB needs to get and if the trouble would be worth it.

After a bit of Google on the usage impact of GDDR instead of DDR for the CPU I haven't found much real numbers, just that the higher latency is no good.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

As you can see from vtune profile, Hogwarts is extremely mem bound. Pretty poorly optimised/balanced as the low front end (core) usage means it’s always waiting on back end which is much slower. Thus low gpu utilization. An easy way to see this would be to test and 5800x3d vs 5800x. The x3d chip should absolutely kill the regular x. Edit: adding the caveat that assumes the data set fits into the L3 better and with higher hit rate. If not, then won't be much gain.

 

[Besty]

Pays around 2K for a GPU and has to turn off/lower settings, but has the cheek to laugh at people needing to do the same due to a lack of vram on a GPU that is around 3 years old and cost a third the price back then. Lol.

 

[Jay85]

You mean trying to push the left over 3000 series...

Honestly there isn't much news out there about anything below a 4070, some rumours are saying production might start end of this month for a 4060 (which will perform similar to a 3070), so a few months away, but I wouldn't be holding my breath for Nvidia to release any lower tier 4000 cards while they're trying to shift their excess 3000 series cards at current inflated prices (sorry but rrp for a 2 year old card when the new version is out is just wrong)...

I've actually read more rumours about a 4090ti than I have 4060...

Thats's where the money is, they would rather make more of a 4090ti than anything else knowing how well the 4090 sells and slap a premium price tag on it of 2k. People will still jump all over it because its the only thing out there right now that's probably worth buying (top tier).

People are much less likely to buy a 4060 for £550/600 (just guestimating here).

 

[lsg1r]

Thats's where the money is, they would rather make more of a 4090ti than anything else knowing how well the 4090 sells and slap a premium price tag on it of 2k. People will still jump all over it because its the only thing out there right now that's probably worth buying (top tier).

People are much less likely to buy a 4060 for £550/600 (just guestimating here).

It's not where the money is actually, the money is usually around the £300-500 range... there's arguably less profit (it's still likely huge profits though) in the 4090 than there is in the 4080 due to the 'full fat' AD chip, extra ram etc... People are buying the 4090 because it's better value than a 4080 which is overpriced. The 4070ti is overpriced too, it's just the best option under £1000 so people are buying it simply because they need a gpu in some cases and have no other choice, I suspect many would have preferred to pay less for it or get the usual 80 tier for under £1000 (and we'll ignore the tier of the AD chipset in them too).

The real money for gpu's is in the mid tier, you only need to look at steam charts etc and while ocuk members might be buying £1000+ gpu's the majority of gamers likely have pc's that are around £1000-1500 in total cost. And you're right, people aren't going to buy a 4060 at £550/600 when it would normally have been around the £300-350 range....which is currently where nvidia are trying to flog their left over 3060's (which would sell faster if they lowered the prices )....

 

[Jay85]

It's not where the money is actually, the money is usually around the £300-500 range... there's arguably less profit (it's still likely huge profits though) in the 4090 than there is in the 4080 due to the 'full fat' AD chip, extra ram etc... People are buying the 4090 because it's better value than a 4080 which is overpriced. The 4070ti is overpriced too, it's just the best option under £1000 so people are buying it simply because they need a gpu in some cases and have no other choice, I suspect many would have preferred to pay less for it or get the usual 80 tier for under £1000 (and we'll ignore the tier of the AD chipset in them too).

The real money for gpu's is in the mid tier, you only need to look at steam charts etc and while ocuk members might be buying £1000+ gpu's the majority of gamers likely have pc's that are around £1000-1500 in total cost. And you're right, people aren't going to buy a 4060 at £550/600 when it would normally have been around the £300-350 range....which is currently where nvidia are trying to flog their left over 3060's (which would sell faster if they lowered the prices )....

That's what i mean though, where mid range usually is at the 300-500 range is no longer there. I can see the 4050 and 4050ti if its a thing coming in at that price range instead which will be absolutely bonkers!

 

[~>Dg<~]

Not been following much in terms of the new gpu realm, but has there been any mentions on a potential release date for 4060/4050s?
OR are they purposely going silent on these to try and push the 4070 sales?
I was looking at the 4000 series pricing and they're all over the place, can't justify any atm lol.

the laptops with the mid range 4 series are coming out feb 22nd. so maybe then.

 

[RavenXXX2]

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8gb, many games saturate that today at even 1080p. Any more than £300 and it's trash.

 

[random_matt]

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8gb, many games saturate that today at even 1080p. Any more than £300 and it's trash.

Just read that, but Nvidia can do no wrong.

 

[LiE]

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8gb, many games saturate that today at even 1080p. Any more than £300 and it's trash.

599 easy

 

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8gb, many games saturate that today at even 1080p. Any more than £300 and it's trash.

The RTX3060TI has nearly 60% more shaders,and even the desktop RTX3060 has 15% more shaders.

So even if the clockspeeds are 35% faster,in a desktop situation,where Ampere fares better,this is most likely to be slower in rasterised performance than an RTX3060TI FE,let alone an overclocked one.

 

[Kelt]

Just read that, but Nvidia can do no wrong.

Said no one ever.

 

[Darujhistan]

The RTX3060TI has nearly 60% more shaders,and even the desktop RTX3060 has 15% more shaders.

So even if the clockspeeds are 35% faster,in a desktop situation,where Ampere fares better,this is most likely to be slower in rasterised performance than an RTX3060TI FE,let alone an overclocked one.

Not surprising as it is a 4050 at best, no doubt NV will still want £400 for their new potato tier card.

 

[Darujhistan]

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8gb, many games saturate that today at even 1080p. Any more than £300 and it's trash.

8GB in 2023, you couldn't make it up...

 

[g67575]

Not a lot of point in 16GB if the card is no where near powerful enough to handle 4K, or raytracing.

It would just add cost.

Also, the spec is probably wrong because that guy just makes stuff up, and frequently changes his mind then says that 'the information has been updated'.

I guess it gives AMD an opportunity to be a bit more generous with their spec at the mid end, if Nvidia does go with 8GB for this card.