NVIDIA 4000 Series

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

They'll only be kicking themselves in the teeth then, not everyone upgrades every gen and if they choose to take this route, it will just means less sales on games if they can't be run properly on older hardware.

Surely devs won't want this to happen and implement better support for hardware across the board to keep sales up.

Even on this forum,many people don't seem to realise that slower mainstream hardware is not good for PC gaming,if you really want those shiny effects in more games. Look at the most common Steam hardware configuration:

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Everyone tries to blame consoles,but how many devs will really care to push things,especially if they don't get sponsorship money from Nvidia or AMD? There are 8000~10000 games released on Steam every year.

A number of devs seem to really only care about the console versions,so just do a cheap arse port to PC to mop up a few extra sales and assume PCMR will just throw hardware at stuff. Others will just put in a few effects as tick box exercise,but try and target the lowest common denominator to get as many sales as possible with cartoony graphics. That means less of a graphical push,than if you had very good generations such as Pascal,G92,HD5000 series,etc.

If you look at what Nvidia and AMD have achieved in generation improvements,they are solid(Nvidia being very good). But all they did is use a new node,chiplets,etc to jack up margins. It shows that despite PCMR defending these companies,as I said for years they think very little of that "loyalty" people have to PCMR. Their true colours were shown during the Pandemic,Mining booms and now with "AI".

Now all they can go on about is how upscaling will save the day,because they can sell more junk for more money. Then make performance even more dependent on these features,so more e-waste quicker. Wait until they soon start charging monthly to use these features on top of the cost of the card. The same upscaling consoles were mocked for using years ago. They are more interested in upscaling their own pockets.

They want to sell GPUs as a service IMHO.

 

[StarShock]

The RTX4060 series has only a PCI-E 8X connector.

I know, I said that, I just mean that most cards don't bother chopping half the pcd off.

 

[humbug]

One has to then question why Cyberpunk 2077 took over a year to implement FSR then? I didn't see all this moaning from the tech press about that? Most people in late 2020 didn't have Turing or Ampere cards so had to use in game resolution scaling including me on my GTX1080.

I didn't see any of the same media approaching Nvidia asking why there was no FSR for so long?

The same media and PCMR had no issues because they implied Nvidia sponsored the title and it was the fault of AMD for not doing so. The same media which kept quiet when it was quite clear that if XeSS could be made to work in some way on non Intel cards, why couldn't DLSS? Why is DLSS3 not available on Ampere.

The biggest Elephant in the room is why is DLSS locked to only some Nvidia cards when FSR and XeSS on all? If Nvidia made a fallback layer for other cards, then devs would probably just use DLSS even on consoles.

It's almost like Nvidia got beaten by AMD for a big gaming title so is trying a media blitz to force Microsoft to put in DLSS. I remember 20 years ago with HL2 when Nvidia got beaten by ATI in that game, something similar happened too.
There was even a backlash that ATI was trying to gimp DX9 performance on Nvidia FX cards in the game due to the sponsorship.

PCMR to me increasingly is a bad joke.

Upscaling technology was first introduced on consoles and then ridiculed by PCMR for the display resolution being fake, Nvidia does the same thing and its the best thing since sliced bread.

Games with DLSS that don't have FSR: AMD's fault, games with FSR but no DLSS: AMD's fault.

PCMR spend the next few years masticating over how awesome and fantastic DLSS is and how brilliant Nvidia are, there are no rivals, only DLSS at any cost.
Nvidia start pricing cheaply made underpowered GPU's at a level that can only be justified when using DLSS, which is exactly what Nvidia do in marketing, PCMR are confused as to why is this happening? How did we get here? AMD's fault.

The solution? Promote Intel's equally overpriced and underperforming GPU's.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I know, I said that, I just mean that most cards don't bother chopping half the pcd off.

I get what you mean now - weirdly the RTX4060TI version which has the same PCI-E 8X connector is full length.

In this case it looks like they are re-using the RTX3050 design:

::Palit Products - GeForce RTX™ 3050 Dual ::

The GeForce RTX™ 3050 is built with the powerful graphics performance of the NVIDIA Ampere architecture. It offers dedicated 2nd gen RT Cores and 3rd gen Tensor Cores, new streaming multiprocessors, and high-speed G6 memory to tackle the latest games. Step up to GeForce RTX™. The Palit GeForce...

www.palit.com

PCMR to me increasingly is a bad joke.

upscaling technology was first introduced on consoles and then ridiculed for the display resolution being fake, Nvidia does the same thing and its the best thing since sliced bread.

Game with DLSS that don't have FSR: AMD's fault, games with FSR but no DLSS: AMD's fault.

PCMR spend the next few years masticating over how awesome and fantastic DLSS is and how brilliant Nvidia are, there are no rivals, only DLSS at any cost.
Nvidia start pricing cheaply made underpowered GPU's at a level that can only be justified when using DLSS, which is exactly what Nvidia do in marketing, PCMR are confused as to why is this happening? How did we get here? Its also AMD's fault.

The solution? Promote Intel's equally overpriced and underperforming GPU's.

It's getting worse than Apple. But you forget - blame consoles,because PC is 100X faster.Then point out a lot of normal PCs have worse or similar performing hardware,so it's not the fault of consoles. Its again the fault of consoles. Or make up some nonsense they are not charities,they have costs,etc and consumers have to prop these companies up.

Yet how many here will criticise Big Oil,Big Pharma,etc who also end up exploiting the market.Yet tech companies seem to get away with all the exploitation and make even more money,and get loads of taxpayer support too.

It's fault of greedy companies,who look at PCMR as whales and have done so for years. Every mining boom,every other boom Nvidia(and even AMD) have put two fingers up at gamers and said sucks to be you. Then chased after the next Unicorn. When that falls back become gamers best mates again. Yet,PCMR,acts "loyally" to these companies.

 

[humbug]

I get what you mean now - weirdly the RTX4060TI version which has the same PCI-E 8X connector is full length.

In this case it looks like they are re-using the RTX3050 design:

::Palit Products - GeForce RTX™ 3050 Dual ::

The GeForce RTX™ 3050 is built with the powerful graphics performance of the NVIDIA Ampere architecture. It offers dedicated 2nd gen RT Cores and 3rd gen Tensor Cores, new streaming multiprocessors, and high-speed G6 memory to tackle the latest games. Step up to GeForce RTX™. The Palit GeForce...

www.palit.com

It's getting worse than Apple. But you forget - blame consoles,because PC is 100X faster.Then point out a lot of normal PCs have worse or similar performing hardware,so it's not the fault of consoles. Its again the fault of consoles. Or make up some nonsense they are not charities,they have costs,etc and consumers have to prop these companies up.

Yet how many here will criticise Big Oil,Big Pharma,etc who also end up exploiting the market.Yet tech companies seem to get away with all the exploitation and make even more money,and get loads of taxpayer support too.

It's fault of greedy companies,who look at PCMR as whales and have done so for years. Every mining boom,every other boom Nvidia(and even AMD) have put two fingers up at gamers and said sucks to be you. Then chased after the next Unicorn. When that falls back become gamers best mates again. Yet,PCMR,acts "loyally" to these companies.

If tech journalists had any integrity, or intelligence, they would call out Nvidia for using upscaling technology in place of rasterisation performance, that is exactly what they are doing, these GPU's in the midrange are no better than the previous generation in rasterisation performance, sometimes actually worse, while costing the same, the difference is DLSS 3, and that's what you're paying for, hence all of Nvidia's marketing being based around DLSS 3.
The higher end GPU's are no better, yes they are faster than the generations they replace, but they are also equally more expensive, so the result is the same, right across Nvidia's range, with the exception of the 4090.

That's the truth of it, they are taking us for mugs.
The reason they don't is because they have contributed to this situation through a lack of foresight, foresight you know i had, i warned of exactly this.

Their solution, as i said, is to ignore how we got here and switch to over promoting Intel, whose GPU always have been and still are less competitive than AMD's, who they are all too ready to throw under the bus at the drop of a hat.

Not only do i think PCMR is a bad joke, i'm beginning to hate its stupidity, i don't suffer fools easily, its a failing of mine, i know, and #### me PCMR is foolish...

 

[gpuerrilla]

Upscaling technology was first introduced on consoles and then ridiculed by PCMR for the display resolution being fake, Nvidia does the same thing and its the best thing since sliced bread.

Games with DLSS that don't have FSR: AMD's fault, games with FSR but no DLSS: AMD's fault.

This seems to be the case unfortunately. For the 300 games with DLSS2 support its a grain of sand on the beach, but its always worth paying that bit extra for the features.

If tech journalists had any integrity, or intelligence, they would call out Nvidia for using upscaling technology in place of rasterisation performance, that is exactly what they are doing, these GPU's in the midrange are no better than the previous generation in rasterisation performance, sometimes actually worse, while costing the same, the difference is DLSS 3, and that's what you're paying for, hence all of Nvidia's marketing being based around DLSS 3.
The higher end GPU's are no better, yes they are faster than the generations they replace, but they are also equally more expensive, so the result is the same, right across Nvidia's range, with the exception of the 4090.

I just checked and it seems about 30 games support it so far.

 

[humbug]

I just checked and it seems about 30 games support it so far.

I don't care i'll take the rasterisation performance in place of DLSS, not the other way round, which is what we have and at a cost as if it was rasterisation performance.

That is the outrage. Or should be.

 

[Tinek]

I don't care i'll take the rasterisation performance in place of DLSS, not the other way round, which is what we have and at a cost as if it was rasterisation performance.

That is the outrage. Or should be.

But RT! Raster should be dead by now, no?

 

[nomadd]

At least we will have new memes.

I used to be an astronaut, just like you - then I took an arrow to the spacesuit.

 

[muon]

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

RTX 4070 Ti now has the highest share of Ada cards.
RTX 4070 has entered the charts at 0.21%.

Following up with June.

4070 Ti still most popular desktop card.
4070 growing by a similar amount. I'd say slower than I would have expected.

4060 laptop card is crushing it.

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

 

[Joxeon]

I doubt the 4060 will be joining them soon with only 3 cards sold on OCUK since launch day.

 

[Needmorevram]

I doubt the 4060 will be joining them soon with only 3 cards sold on OCUK since launch day.

Im suprised with that, a **** take for sure i just thought they would have sold more.

 

[Twinz]

Nvidia's efforts to push margins could well end up making them *less* money in the long run.

I think they have misjudged what demand would be for the performance they are offering at given price points.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Given it's opt-in via a seemingly random invite, the Steam survey isn't all that accurate, so I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with it.

 

[Hedge]

Give it's opt-in via a seemingly random invite, the Steam survey isn't all that accurate, so I'm not sure why people are some obsessed with it.

I suppose there aren't many alternatives so you might aswell just work with what you've got.

 

[Tart]

Given it's opt-in via a seemingly random invite, the Steam survey isn't all that accurate, so I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with it.

There are possibly a number of issues with the way the steam survey is handled that would lower its accuracy but I'm not sure random invites are the reason.

 

[malccy]

Given it's opt-in via a seemingly random invite, the Steam survey isn't all that accurate, so I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with it.

You're right and i'm sure some 4060 owners may have not opted into the survey due to embarrassment.

 

[TNA]

You're right and i'm sure some 4060 owners may have not opted into the survey due to embarrassment.

To be fair most buying it probably have no idea there is anything to be embarrassed about. If they did they would likely have not got one in the first place.

 

[Joxeon]

given that income for gaming was down by a 2/3rds and each die is being sold for 2.5x more than it was I'd say nvidia is only selling around 1 in 8 of the amount of cards sold a year ago.

 

[Calin Banc]

Even on this forum,many people don't seem to realise that slower mainstream hardware is not good for PC gaming,if you really want those shiny effects in more games. Look at the most common Steam hardware configuration:

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Everyone tries to blame consoles,but how many devs will really care to push things,especially if they don't get sponsorship money from Nvidia or AMD? There are 8000~10000 games released on Steam every year.

A number of devs seem to really only care about the console versions,so just do a cheap arse port to PC to mop up a few extra sales and assume PCMR will just throw hardware at stuff. Others will just put in a few effects as tick box exercise,but try and target the lowest common denominator to get as many sales as possible with cartoony graphics. That means less of a graphical push,than if you had very good generations such as Pascal,G92,HD5000 series,etc.

If you look at what Nvidia and AMD have achieved in generation improvements,they are solid(Nvidia being very good). But all they did is use a new node,chiplets,etc to jack up margins. It shows that despite PCMR defending these companies,as I said for years they think very little of that "loyalty" people have to PCMR. Their true colours were shown during the Pandemic,Mining booms and now with "AI".

Now all they can go on about is how upscaling will save the day,because they can sell more junk for more money. Then make performance even more dependent on these features,so more e-waste quicker. Wait until they soon start charging monthly to use these features on top of the cost of the card. The same upscaling consoles were mocked for using years ago. They are more interested in upscaling their own pockets.

They want to sell GPUs as a service IMHO.

You can't have crappy ports and good sales when the hardware is weak (people not buying). Not as many feature, yes. But... you have Metro LL running great all around. How many followed in its footsteps? For sure it wasn't Hogwarts, TLOU and the sort... Yes, current gen of midend cards is crap. But there's nothing wrong with the tech, is the price/marketing.
BTW, you can always look at it like this: weak hw -> more pressure to optimize the game if they expect good sales.

Moreover, having good hardware does not guarantee that much. Look at processors, how many games make use of 12-16 cores?

My 2080 didn't turn into e waste thanks to upscaling tech. Best fine wine card I've had.