NVIDIA 4000 Series

[mrk]

Thanks for the info. What case/fans are you using? I did have a Lian Li XL so fans directly under the GPU, now im using a Fractal North, with 6 Noctua Chromax A25's.

Corsair 5000D Air case and I'm using all Arctic P14 PST fans at around 400-600rpm (custom curve in the UEFI):

2x exhaust, 2x intake pulling through the AIO. You can see the configuration here:

My TUF it was just the fan curve, Suprim it did cut the power limit a bit (130%>115%) IIRC.

I found power limit barely a factor in overclocking tbh, especially with my last card.

Yeah this is the case for most I imagine too. The idea behind the BIOS modes only changing fan curve is that more airflow = a cooler core = boost clock can remain higher for longer. The boost clock limit is dictated to load/thermals, and typically most cards will throttle down slightly from their peek boost clock as thermals ramp up over a long gaming session. We are talking figures that are meaningless anyway though and won't even make a few fps difference, so only really for benchmark freaks who need every score point or things like that.

Nevertheless, even my non OC Trinity boosts way past the standard boost clock of a 4090 (2520MHz) and it sits at above 2700MHz at all times in the quiet BIOS mode.

 

[Hostile_18]

Corsair 5000D Air case and I'm using all Arctic P14 PST fans at around 400-600rpm (custom curve in the UEFI):

2x exhaust, 2x intake pulling through the AIO. You can see the configuration here:

Yeah this is the case for most I imagine too. The idea behind the BIOS modes only changing fan curve is that more airflow = a cooler core = boost clock can remain higher for longer. The boost clock limit is dictated to load/thermals, and typically most cards will throttle down slightly from their peek boost clock as thermals ramp up over a long gaming session. We are talking figures that are meaningless anyway though and won't even make a few fps difference, so only really for benchmark freaks who need every score point or things like that.

Nevertheless, even my non OC Trinity boosts way past the standard boost clock of a 4090 (2520MHz) and it sits at above 2700MHz at all times in the quiet BIOS mode.

Nice, that card makes the 5000D look small! I can set my A25's to 830rpm and they are totally inaudiable. I have a Noctua N12A which is great at idle (no pump noise), when the GPU gets hot it does tend to send the hot air into the CPU cooler somewhat though! My CPU is limited to 65w TDP though (6 core at 5.4ghz) so it's not really an issue.

 

[danlightbulb]

Corsair 5000D Air case and I'm using all Arctic P14 PST fans at around 400-600rpm (custom curve in the UEFI):

2x exhaust, 2x intake pulling through the AIO. You can see the configuration here:

Yeah this is the case for most I imagine too. The idea behind the BIOS modes only changing fan curve is that more airflow = a cooler core = boost clock can remain higher for longer. The boost clock limit is dictated to load/thermals, and typically most cards will throttle down slightly from their peek boost clock as thermals ramp up over a long gaming session. We are talking figures that are meaningless anyway though and won't even make a few fps difference, so only really for benchmark freaks who need every score point or things like that.

Nevertheless, even my non OC Trinity boosts way past the standard boost clock of a 4090 (2520MHz) and it sits at above 2700MHz at all times in the quiet BIOS mode.

Doesnt look like those water lines will go past that card when installed?

 

[Hostile_18]

Oh and my 4090 fe is cancelled. I'm going to look into the Zotec fans as it seems like the issues are sorted now, from the feedback here. If so its perfect, no coil whine, 5 years warranty and dosn't look as bad as the Gigabyte (IMO). Otherwise MSI or Asus because those fans are amazing, even with more chance of coil whine.

 

[gjbf1]

Nay, with Zotac the quiet mode only reduces the aggressiveness of the fan curve. Clocks remain the same.

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[gjbf1]

Oh and my 4090 fe is cancelled. I'm going to look into the Zotec fans as it seems like the issues are sorted now, from the feedback here. If so its perfect, no coil whine, 5 years warranty and dosn't look as bad as the Gigabyte (IMO). Otherwise MSI or Asus because those fans are amazing, even with more chance of coil whine.

The 5 year warranty is the killer. Good RMA reputation too.

 

[Hostile_18]

Is the Amp Extreme the clear better card? Not bothered at all about RGB but the middle fan been 120 sounds appealing.

 

[mrk]

Didn't know the middle fan was 120mm on that, I got my card at FE price so it was a no brainer really so didn't even think twice

Nice, that card makes the 5000D look small! I can set my A25's to 830rpm and they are totally inaudiable. I have a Noctua N12A which is great at idle (no pump noise), when the GPU gets hot it does tend to send the hot air into the CPU cooler somewhat though! My CPU is limited to 65w TDP though (6 core at 5.4ghz) so it's not really an issue.

It is a bit of a beast lol, the magnetic support stand was a very welcome inclusion in the box for sure!

Doesnt look like those water lines will go past that card when installed?

Fear not! It's all snug

Oh and my 4090 fe is cancelled. I'm going to look into the Zotec fans as it seems like the issues are sorted now, from the feedback here. If so its perfect, no coil whine, 5 years warranty and dosn't look as bad as the Gigabyte (IMO). Otherwise MSI or Asus because those fans are amazing, even with more chance of coil whine.

Remember to register for the 5 years warranty! I think I recall having to do that

 

[Hostile_18]

@LtMatt does this count to my total if it never makes it through my door? Lol.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Did you place the intel sticker @mrk ?

 

[gjbf1]

Didn't know the middle fan was 120mm on that, I got my card at FE price so it was a no brainer really so didn't even think twice


It is a bit of a beast lol, the magnetic support stand was a very welcome inclusion in the box for sure!


Fear not! It's all snug

Remember to register for the 5 years warranty! I think I recall having to do that

What spec is the rest of your build?

For the 5yr warranty you need to register with Zotac, otherwise it's 3yr.

 

[mrk]

Did you place the intel sticker @mrk ?

Yep why! BIG UP TEAM BLUE!

What spec is the rest of your build?

For the 5yr warranty you need to register with Zotac, otherwise it's 3yr.

12700KF, 64GB DDR4 3600 CL18, 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus Gaming, 8TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus, Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X board, Arctic Freezer II 280mm AIO, HX1000i PSU

 

[gjbf1]

Yep why! BIG UP TEAM BLUE!



12700KF, 64GB DDR4 3600 CL18, 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus Gaming, 8TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus, Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X board, Arctic Freezer II 280mm AIO, HX1000i PSU

Tempted to upgrade to a 13700?

 

[mrk]

More expense for more heat and power draw for a small perf bump? Nope I'm not that crazy

Won't bother with a CPU/board change until the power draw of whatever comes is the same or lower than the 12700KF. 13th gen is not efficient in my eyes in that regard.

 

[gjbf1]

More expense for more heat and power draw for a small perf bump? Nope I'm not that crazy

Won't bother with a CPU/board change until the power draw of whatever comes is the same or lower than the 12700KF. 13th gen is not efficient in my eyes in that regard.

True. I thought the performance difference between 12th and 13th gen was more significant? Does the 12700 ever bottleneck the 4090?

 

[mrk]

Not really in any games I've played as I always play at 3440x1440 or above (DLDSR 5160x2160) where possible with all the settings up so the bearing is on the GPU really. The 1% lows and stuff would uplift with a faster CPU for sure coupled to a 4090, but the averages are high enough anyway that any further fps boosts would simply be a bonus and not really changing the gaming experience really.

Maybe this will change as UE5 games start to hit release and we see the real state of CPU utilisation in UE5 though. But that's more aligned with the poor CPU utilisation of gaming engines like Unreal rather than the capability of a CPU. We have had to brute force our way through poor game engine coding for years now sadly.

 

[Grim5]

Not really in any games I've played as I always play at 3440x1440 or above (DLDSR 5160x2160) where possible with all the settings up so the bearing is on the GPU really. The 1% lows and stuff would uplift with a faster CPU for sure coupled to a 4090, but the averages are high enough anyway that any further fps boosts would simply be a bonus and not really changing the gaming experience really.

Maybe this will change as UE5 games start to hit release and we see the real state of CPU utilisation in UE5 though. But that's more aligned with the poor CPU utilisation of gaming engines like Unreal rather than the capability of a CPU. We have had to brute force our way through poor game engine coding for years now sadly.

UE5 at this stage seems to not use multithreaded CPUs well

 

[JediFragger]

UE5 at this stage seems to not use multithreaded CPUs well

Upto 8c/16t and not beyond from what I've seen?

 

[GhostDog1981]

Oh and my 4090 fe is cancelled. I'm going to look into the Zotec fans as it seems like the issues are sorted now, from the feedback here. If so its perfect, no coil whine, 5 years warranty and dosn't look as bad as the Gigabyte (IMO). Otherwise MSI or Asus because those fans are amazing, even with more chance of coil whine.

Have you cancelled it due to the uncertainty regarding the power connector?

EDIT: have Nvidia dropped the price of the Founders 4090? Could have sworn it was more a few months ago?

 

[Grim5]

Upto 8c/16t and not beyond from what I've seen?

I didn't say it doesn't use multiple threads at all, just that it doesn't use them well or doesn't scale well. In the UE5.2 benchmark it only shows a 20% to 30% performance improvement going from 4 cores to 8 cores and 16 threads. Where as in cyberpunk's red engine an 8c/16c cpu has closer to 100% more performance than a 4c CPU