NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Raelgun]

Regarding the video above:

Not to troll the AMD crowd, but I was thinking to myself the other day why are people even buying AMD cards atm. There is nothing outside of more vram and being cheaper which is attractive about the AMD GPUs over the the Nvidia cards atm.

But why would I want a cheaper card with more vram which doesn't have the same level of RT and upscaling technology as the Nvidia cards.

What's the point in having more vram when the performance and features aren't there to make use of it.

:/

I don't use any upscale because I can see the difference and I don't wish to down grade the whole scene. So this is not bonus feature to me, I'm not ignorant to chase very high frame rates at such a heavy cost.

It's also inconsistent, be the way I own cards fun Nvidia, AMD and intel lol.

I rather have more silicon grunt and know any game I play would work with this.
Rt is nice, but even on Nvidia cards it's struggles so saying better for the sake of it is strange.
It's a childish argument from grown adults with spending money.

By the way , personal opinion but in control not enabling RT reflection but turning on the other RT options looks better then with reflection on but you still get great frame rate without any upscaling even on AMD. ( honestly paving looking like glass isn't visually appealing)

Lot of Pc gamers just don't know how to set up stuff properly or go around tweaking settings.

So the question to you is, do you care about pc gaming or you would do anything to think you get high visual fidelity and frame rates?

 

[opethdisciple]

I don't use any upscale because I can see the difference and I don't wish to down grade the whole scene. So this is not bonus feature to me, I'm not ignorant to chase very high frame rates at such a heavy cost.

It's also inconsistent, be the way I own cards fun Nvidia, AMD and intel lol.

I rather have more silicon grunt and know any game I play would work with this.
Rt is nice, but even on Nvidia cards it's struggles so saying better for the sake of it is strange.
It's a childish argument from grown adults with spending money.

By the way , personal opinion but in control not enabling RT reflection but turning on the other RT options looks better then with reflection on but you still get great frame rate without any upscaling even on AMD. ( honestly paving looking like glass isn't visually appealing)

Lot of Pc gamers just don't know how to set up stuff properly or go around tweaking settings.

So the question to you is, do you care about pc gaming or you would do anything to think you get high visual fidelity and frame rates?

Wait a second... don't they say that DLSS is better than native anyway?

I'm pretty sure I've heard Digital Foundry say that especially with DLSS 3.5.

To me FSR is poor and way behind DLSS. RT and pushing the visual fidelity of games is important too me and AMD just can't compete in this regard.

 

[opethdisciple]

Because not everyone cares about RT at the moment.

When there are 10,000+ games and the number of RT games hasn't even reached 300 yet.

AMD are more appealing to me as they offer similar or slightly better raster performance for it's tier equivalent and are about 150+ cheaper. Only reason I haven't got one is because. Both companies are overpriced.

The question should be "why aren't people willing to spend 150-200 more for a feature they don't care about or don't need"..

Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful there are people out there buying AMD otherwise Nvidia prices would be even more out of control I just don't see what AMD offers from its graphics division.

I kept these thoughts quite as I didn't want to troll anyone. But the video quoted above basically said on camera what I was recently thinking.

 

[Nexus18]

Wait a second... don't they say that DLSS is better than native anyway?

I'm pretty sure I've heard Digital Foundry say that especially with DLSS 3.5.

To me FSR is poor and way behind DLSS. RT and pushing the visual fidelity of games is important too me and AMD just can't compete in this regard.

Some refuse to accept this even though you have HUB, DF, tpu, gamer nexus and all showing where and how dlss can improve upon native image.... Sure, you can go and pick out a scene where dlss is probably worse but at the same time, you can do this with native scene to show where dlss is better but the general agreement is that more often than not and for the majority of the time, dlss does provide better than native and it's not always down to just a poor TAA implementation either as proven, even when using the so called best AA methods i.e. SMAA and MSAA, they look worse and in some cases, such as RDR 2, just downright broken because the game was made with TAA in mind.

 

[mrk]

Yeah it's the overall picture, especially in motion. Take for example 1440p path traced with dlss 3.5 enabled and frame gen. It's over 100fps! That level of smoothness and frametime consistency is not possible any other way. Even a locked 60fps doesn't feel as precise or as smooth as something running at 100fps.

Ok it could be argued that to get that sort of performance you need to spend more, yeah, but we live and breathe new tech to play with after all

And now that unreal Engine has native support for DLSS 3 and above, expect to see most AAA games supporting it, and if it doesn't, then they made a conscious decision to not include it (exclusivity deal with vendors).

 

[tommybhoy]

I've got a 4070 that's now running on a QHDUW, but bought a 7900XTX for the 4K system because it has higher bandwidth and vram for higher FPS in raster, was £200 cheaper than a 4080 and it fits my case.

RT'ing destroys FPS regardless the vendor and I prefer native.

I don't rely on vids on what's better or not than native, as my eyes work that out for me on a 65" QD Oled thats ran DLSS on other NV GPUs that throws up every visual artifact going.

Yes there could be shimmering, but at high fps that shimmering is a small price to pay over the other artifacts that impacts visual clarity that comes with upscaling be it DLSS or FSR.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I've got a 4070 that's now running on a QHDUW, but bought a 7900XTX for the 4K system because it has higher bandwidth and vram for higher FPS in raster, was £200 cheaper than a 4080 and it fits my case.

RT'ing destroys FPS regardless the vendor and I prefer native.

I don't rely on vids on what's better or not than native, as my eyes work that out for me on a 65" QD Oled thats ran DLSS on other NV GPUs that throws up every visual artifact going.

Yes there could be shimmering, but at high fps that shimmering is a small price to pay over the other artifacts that impacts visual clarity that comes with upscaling be it DLSS or FSR.

Source: Trust me bro?

 

[uscool]

Regarding the video above:

Not to troll the AMD crowd, but I was thinking to myself the other day why are people even buying AMD cards atm. There is nothing outside of more vram and being cheaper which is attractive about the AMD GPUs over the the Nvidia cards atm.

But why would I want a cheaper card with more vram which doesn't have the same level of RT and upscaling technology as the Nvidia cards.

What's the point in having more vram when the performance and features aren't there to make use of it.

:/

I don't tend to spend over £600+ on GPU and my main thing is online gaming which I want maximum FPS for my money RT for me isn't important

If I was into RT I'd want 4080/4090 to at least get the best experience and £1k+ for the pleasure isn't worth the premium for me , rest of Nvidia's cards below them for RT don't impress me

My current card is the 3080 and I probably played like 3-4 games that had RT since having the card from release

If once more games start using RT and it looks good and Nvidia can offer me something that does decent job at it for around £700 I'll be interested

 

[Andromeda1983]

Nioce nioce! Good to hear someone else has actually bothered to try one out other than me, and I usually go AMD, but couldn't deny how good this looked feature set/performance/undervolt/temp/silence potential wise.
I cant think now but iirc I'm 0.925v or 0.950v but yeah they just sip power, as I say my fans only come on once in Control and IIRC it could have been on the performance dual bios, I switched it to quiet since then and it never comes on bar that 1 bit in Control with RT and maxed out 1440p.
It's nice not having something constantly coil wining and burning your leg/turning your room into a furnace/sauna!

Idk if you saw, but the video I linked above comparing both our cards? Despite him being cringe, it highlights the power of these cards. I don't even bother to clock mine, sure I have messed around, but I just don't 'need' to as of yet. I like the idea of not ragging on it and looking after it, as silly as that sounds and prolonging the lifespan cause it should fit in my MITX 2nd build when the time comes, I did get tempted to sell it, but I don't know tbh, there's something about having just built an all brand new rig and keeping all the boxes/having decent warranty/keeping everything mint/respecting it? Might sound overkill, but I always look after my stuff whatever it may be.

There's one more reason why I went with the TUF and thats because unlike the other models it uses a standard 1x8 pin so none of that melting malarky

 

[tommybhoy]

Source: Trust me bro?

Oh no a DF believer.

To add it's not hard to work out when the likes of Trust me bro DF only shows the deficiencies of the previous DLSS when it's replaced with a new version.

 

[Jay85]

Gonna need a TLDR. Structure of the video is ridiculous, you know how hard it is to watch or navigate with a 100 timestamps on the timeline, **** me Daniel, that's why you should put your timestamps in a pinned comment, not in the video. Secondly, with so many configurations, the video could be 5 times shorter if you put your data into graphs instead of playing video of you playing the game for almost 40 minutes to pad out your ad revenue

I really start to appreciate the old days again, when all this type of content was in written reviews it was easy to get to the point

I understand why Daniel makes his videos as annoying as possible, it's to maximise his ad share revenue but that doesn't make them any less ****, someone should tell him to ask for Patreon donations or start selling mousepads then maybe he can make shorter videos that don't beat around the bush

Cant stand that guy tbh, there's something about him and the way he talks that just puts me to sleep. Gamers nexus has that effect too sometimes.

 

[Nexus18]

Oh no a DF believer.

To add it's not hard to work out when the likes of Trust me bro DF only shows the deficiencies of the previous DLSS when it's replaced with a new version.

What about oc3d, computerbase, pcgamershardware, tpu, hub, gamer nexus?

 

[Ayahuasca]

What about oc3d, computerbase, pcgamershardware, tpu, hub, gamer nexus?

All trust me bros according to tommy. All you need is his eyes + a 65" QD OLED.

FYI, I'm not saying that channels like DF should be trusted religiously and unquestioningly, but trying to use anecdotal evidence like the above against several outlets that have come to the same or similar conclusions is pretty funny.

Personal preference is fine, but the above seems to go beyond that.

 

[Jay85]

That's not the 5090. I am a time traveler and took that picture of Jensen in the year 2031. That is a 7090 Ti!

You're all wrong, this is actually Baby Jensen holding a 8800 GTX

 

[tommybhoy]

All trust me bros according to tommy. All you need is his eyes + a 65" QD OLED.

FYI, I'm not saying that channels like DF should be trusted religiously and unquestioningly, but trying to use anecdotal evidence like the above against several outlets that have come to the same or similar conclusions is pretty funny.

Personal preference is fine, but the above seems to go beyond that.

If I was the only one saying upscaling has negatives you'd have a valid point, plenty outlets comment in their vids with the classic line of 'I prefer native'.

 

[Ayahuasca]

If I was the only one saying upscaling has negatives you'd have a valid point.

Nobody claimed you were the only one or that it didn't have any negatives.

 

[Nexus18]

FYI, I'm not saying that channels like DF should be trusted religiously and unquestioningly, but trying to use anecdotal evidence like the above against several outlets that have come to the same or similar conclusions is pretty funny.

Personal preference is fine, but the above seems to go beyond that.

Exactly.

This is the problem, if it was just one site saying it's the best and all the other sites stated how it looks worse then no issues but when you're making claims i.e. the "trust me bro" that goes against basically every tech press (and they can't all be nvidia shills.....) as well as majority of users who have also provided plenty of screenshot and video comparisons to show the same findings as said tech press, well then, it's pretty hard to take the naysayers "opinions" seriously especially when they don't post anything to backup their statements....

 

[Raelgun]

Wait a second... don't they say that DLSS is better than native anyway?

I'm pretty sure I've heard Digital Foundry say that especially with DLSS 3.5.

To me FSR is poor and way behind DLSS. RT and pushing the visual fidelity of games is important too me and AMD just can't compete in this regard.

Do you even try to play and compare yourself?

Df tends to admits dlss and what ever has issues.
Does enabling dlss and RT to you compensate for other areas of image quality degradation?

If you are saying iq is important then why are you contradicting your self here .

You need to try it, not just hear it, it's almost as if you are after approval of your choices.

I try it out and I spend a lot of time tweaking settings in multiple ways such as in control and I've always found dlss on my 3070ti to degrade the image standing still or in motion and no amount of RT will compensate for it.

 

[tommybhoy]

Nobody claimed you were the only one or that it didn't have any negatives.

You've literally just dismissed me with trust me bro because I can see artifacts on a massive extremely bright high clarity screen.

 

[Ayahuasca]

You've literally just dismissed me with trust me bro because I can see artifacts on a massive extremely bright high clarity screen.

Yes, because you made the claim, so I'm responding directly to you in this case. That doesn't mean I claimed you were the only person with those views, does it?

Anyway, it should be easy enough to counter the likes of DF etc with your own video comparison. Or do they all have to use 65" QD OLEDs or their evidence is invalid?

It really isn't difficult to understand the issue, anecdotal evidence vs some actual evidence.