NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Dicehunter]

The way nVidia are going is likely just going to develop more problems for them; more people only buying second hand or waiting for inventory clear outs on older generations, more people holding on to GPUs 1-2 generations longer than they would have so effectively spending the same or even less money with nVidia over time, etc.

Over half of the people in my PC gaming friend circle stopped buying PC parts altogether a couple of years ago due to the ever increasing prices, They all, Or most, Just bought a PS5 and called it a day.

I imagine more and more will do the same going forward as prices go ever higher.

 

[JediFragger]

more people holding on to GPUs 1-2 generations longer than they would have

Tbf DLSS will have this effect for most people anyhow, which is no bad thing.

 

[JediFragger]

Over half of the people in my PC gaming friend circle stopped buying PC parts altogether a couple of years ago due to the ever increasing prices, They all, Or most, Just bought a PS5 and called it a day.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Over half of the people in my PC gaming friend circle stopped buying PC parts altogether a couple of years ago due to the ever increasing prices, They all, Or most, Just bought a PS5 and called it a day.

I imagine more and more will do the same going forward as prices go ever higher.

There will come a point where the market won’t buy and force companies to slash msrps.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Where's the sweet spot on the 4000 series

There isn't one.

 

[Joxeon]

There isn't one.

Nothing in the entire lineup from Nvidia is good value.

AMD don’t really have anything going for them either, just slightly better value than Nvidia.

Maybe Intel will bring out something worthwhile next year as I can’t see the supers being much of an improvement.

Things will likely improve by the summer when the price cuts start to clear stock in preparation for the next generation.

 

[decto]

There will come a point where the market won’t buy and force companies to slash msrps.

I don't see that happening. 1 in 10 people in the UK have assets of £1m Compared to many other hobbies gaming is still relatively cheap. I work with plenty of people who think nothing of spending £1000s on a mountain bike or motorbike to ride a relatively small number of days a year. Season ticket for football, golfing. Lots of ways to burn cash.

I think the bigger issue is performance, if the 4080/7900 was hitting raster around 100fps at 4k they would be flying of the shelves.

Trouble is new games are half that and it's meh... Expensive and I still have to wind back the settings

 

[Murphy]

1 in 10 people in the UK have assets of £1m

Assets are not discretionary income.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't see that happening. 1 in 10 people in the UK have assets of £1m Compared to many other hobbies gaming is still relatively cheap. I work with plenty of people who think nothing of spending £1000s on a mountain bike or motorbike to ride a relatively small number of days a year. Season ticket for football, golfing. Lots of ways to burn cash.

I think the bigger issue is performance, if the 4080/7900 was hitting raster around 100fps at 4k they would be flying of the shelves.

Trouble is new games are half that and it's meh... Expensive and I still have to wind back the settings

Most of those assets are in property and pensions.

Most of the people I know who have money don't really game or use a console. Plus people with money also are selective on what they spend on and do their research. Being stuck behind a computer screen for more hours after spending hours behind one for work is tedious for plenty of people.

Going out and doing things is far more fun.

Even in my case, I have spend far more money on going out and other hobbies than PC gaming.

Most people I know who are into PC gaming are not bothering to buy new parts, unless something needs to be replaced due to age or work related reasons. All of them know they are getting ripped off this generation. The reality is the value is not there now in PC gaming,especially as the performance uplift is dire.

Spending £500 to £600 to get the equivalent of a last generation £300 to £400 card is a joke.

 

[decto]

Assets are not discretionary income.

I'm aware of that, but if you have £1m is assets, likely you aren't saving your nectar points to afford a christmas shop.

 

[Kelt]

There will come a point where the market won’t buy and force companies to slash msrps.

I think I'm approaching that point.

I've said I'll be buying a 5090 when they release, but now I'm not so sure I will be.

 

[kevman]

I'm aware of that, but if you have £1m is assets, likely you aren't saving your nectar points to afford a christmas shop.

Also how many of those 1 in 10 with 1m in assets pensioners?

 

[Murphy]

I'm aware of that, but if you have £1m is assets, likely you aren't saving your nectar points to afford a christmas shop.

That's a non sequitur, someone on state pension could have £1m in assets, someone could be spending all their disposable income on that £1m asset, someone who's out of work could have £1m in assets.

It simply doesn't follow that if you have £1m in assets that you're not saving your nectar points to afford a Christmas shop.

 

[decto]

Most of those assets are in property and pensions.

Most of the people I know who have money don't really game or use a console. Plus with money also are selective on what they spend on and so their research. Even in my case, I have spend far more money on going out and other hobbies than PC gaming.

Most people I know who are into PC gaming are not bothering to buy new parts, unless something needs to be replaced due to age or work related reasons. The reality is the value is not there now in PC gaming,especially as the performance uplift is dire.

Spending £500 to £600 to get the equivalent of a last generation £300 to £400 card is a joke.

I agree, the value this time is terrible. My point is I don't expect GPU's to suddenly half in price which seems to be common fantasy.
Plenty enough people prepared to buy for themselves or their kids to keep the wheels turning, a lot of sales are prebuild PC's and the buyers are mainly getting whitegoods with meh specs. Audience here is quite different.

If anything I think they will hold their price points for Blackwell but give a good bump in performance.
They will still be stingy with VRAM as that is the upsell on their professional cards for AI.

 

[GhostDog1981]

I agree, the value this time is terrible. My point is I don't expect GPU's to suddenly half in price which seems to be common fantasy.
Plenty enough people prepared to buy for themselves or their kids to keep the wheels turning, a lot of sales are prebuild PC's and the buyers are mainly getting whitegoods with meh specs. Audience here is quite different.

If anything I think they will hold their price points for Blackwell but give a good bump in performance.
They will still be stingy with VRAM as that is the upsell on their professional cards for AI.

In my example I got a 3060ti 2.5 years ago thinking it would last 5/6 years but this year found I had to turn settings down to medium in AAA games to get decent fps due to 8gb vram.

I had a choice to upgrade but what? Nvidia didn’t offer enough vram so the only alternative was AMD and I got a 7900XT initially for a good price but it kept crashing and hotspots hit 96-100C most of the time (with fans on >80%) and it was too much for 1440p gaming so sold that on.

For £499 got a 7800XT mba and have been pleasantly surprised at how much it can be overclocked (to 6950XT level 22K Timespy and Timespy Extreme of 10400) and I don’t notice any downgrade at 1440p especially still maintaining >100fps in most AAA games.

I’m not going to dip back into the gpu market for at least 4 years (2 Gens)- what do we reckon that being feasible?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I agree, the value this time is terrible. My point is I don't expect GPU's to suddenly half in price which seems to be common fantasy.
Plenty enough people prepared to buy for themselves or their kids to keep the wheels turning, a lot of sales are prebuild PC's and the buyers are mainly getting whitegoods with meh specs. Audience here is quite different.

If anything I think they will hold their price points for Blackwell but give a good bump in performance.
They will still be stingy with VRAM as that is the upsell on their professional cards for AI.

Most of the people I know are not hardware enthusiasts. The few people I know who bought something like a RTX3080 are hardware enthusiasts or the type who just plays one game for years and years like WoW. Most gamers I know use sub £500 cards. They will buy a PC every 5 to 6 years. The people on tech forums tend to spend more and more often.

The bigger issue is that because mainstream hardware is so rubbish, and consoles are being refreshed far quicker(unlike in the PS3 era), consoles and average gaming PCs are not far apart.

This is why you either have cartoony looking games or games that don't run well. I suspect many PC devs expected mainstream hardware to be far better than the trash we got now.

The RTX4070TI and RX7900XT really are sub £600 performance and VRAM is not enough on the former.

In my case I agree with what a previous poster said and will keep hardware longer.

 

[decto]

In my example I got a 3060ti 2.5 years ago thinking it would last 5/6 years but this year found I had to turn settings down to medium in AAA games to get decent fps due to 8gb vram.

I had a choice to upgrade but what? Nvidia didn’t offer enough vram so the only alternative was AMD and I got a 7900XT initially for a good price but it kept crashing and hotspots hit 96-100C most of the time (with fans on >80%) and it was too much for 1440p gaming so sold that on.

For £499 got a 7800XT mba and have been pleasantly surprised at how much it can be overclocked (to 6950XT level 22K Timespy and Timespy Extreme of 10400) and I don’t notice any downgrade at 1440p especially still maintaining >100fps in most AAA games.

I’m not going to dip back into the gpu market for at least 4 years- what do we reckon that being feasible?

I'm beginning to think the best upgrade is a 1080p monitor...

I did cave in the summer when the 4080 dipped below £1k, double what I've paid for any other GPU so it needs to last a couple of generations and will likely live on in the kids PC's after that.... if the thing with actually fit.
I was running a 3070 but was running into VRAM issues even at 1440p, and especially in VR performance would often randomly tank if I tried to tune the visuals too much.

I almost got the 7900XT... but the VR situation was unclear and then the deals suddenly ended.

I think the best option is only buy the games a GPU can run well, if the developers insist on making games that perform poorly but are not visually that much of an uplift.. either don't buy it or wait until the proper steam sales.
Plenty of older or even current titles that will run very well...

So if you can deal with the FOMO of the slightly better pixel dithering .or mirror puddles.. you should be good for a few years.

 

[humbug]

Most of the people I know are not hardware enthusiasts. The few people I know who bought something like a RTX3080 are hardware enthusiasts or the type who just plays one game for years and years like WoW. Most gamers I know use sub £500 cards. They will buy a PC every 5 to 6 years. The people on tech forums tend to spend more and more often.

The bigger issue is that because mainstream hardware is so rubbish, and consoles are being refreshed far quicker(unlike in the PS3 era), consoles and average gaming PCs are not far apart.

This is why you either have cartoony looking games or games that don't run well. I suspect many PC devs expected mainstream hardware to be far better than the trash we got now.

The RTX4070TI and RX7900XT really are sub £600 performance and VRAM is not enough on the former.

In my case I agree with what a previous poster said and will keep hardware longer.

I used to upgrade every generation.

5770
6950
7870XT
290
970
1070
2070 Super.

3070 was a big nope
4070 nope

7800XT maybe, lets see what happens with all of this when Nvidia bring out the 4000 Super cards but i'm not paying much more than £400 for a 12GB card, i plan on keeping the new card, whatever it may be for several years, again, so i want it future proofed, i'm ok with 12GB card if its cheap enough.

 

[humbug]

My hope is Nvidia will put the 4070 Super in the $600 price bracket and drop the 4070 down to $550 and that will force AMD to drop the 7800XT to $450 and the 7700XT to $400.

Probably wishful thinking, Nvidia will use the higher tier super cards to have more higher cost cards. Because what else are you going to buy right? Its Nvidia or nothing.

 

[G J]

Nvidia's not in the graphics card business to release Super cards just so some of you can buy AMD and Nvidia cards cheeper.