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I didn't say it was a good deal just better than spending £1000 for 50% more performance.

You're spending more than that to get less if you go the 4080 rout.
What are you going to buy to replace your £650 3080? a 4070Ti? £800 and 22% faster.

Listen, i paid £420 for an MSI 1070 Gaming X Limited Edition Quick Silver (didn't like the Red and Black, looks like a mans washbag, i also liked the RGB MSI Shield in the brushed alloy back plate) upgraded it for an MSI RTX 2070S Gaming X (its Grey, Silver and Unicorn Puke) 65% faster £460 and the 2000 series was the one we complained didn't offer enough over the previous gen, a few years and a lot of nvidia marketing later... suddenly a far worse proposition is good. :rolleyes:
 
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I didn't say it was a good deal just better than spending £1000 for 50% more performance.

If you add up the raster + RT increase over the 3080 and then divide price by that figure the 4080 would have to cost £805 while the 7900XTX would have to £610 to match the 4090 value in all around performance.

Do you weight it by the amount of RT games vs raster games? 4080 might be considerably faster in RT, but its not as useful if only 5 games make use of it.
 
As a 3080 owner spending a £1000 gets you around a 50% uplift or spending £600 more for closer to 100% uplift, the 4090 is expensive but its still better value than a 7900XTX / 4080 when looking at the performance jump.
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4090 requires a bigger/stronger PSU, a more powerful overall system or else is not going to be that far ahead. It brings with it a whole lot more than just its purchasing price.
 
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Do you weight it by the amount of RT games vs raster games? 4080 might be considerably faster in RT, but its not as useful if only 5 games make use of it.
If you just go on raster then the 7900XTX is a decent option and would have to be around £895 to match the 4090 while the 4080 would have to be around £815.
 
Playing devil's advocate for a moment...

Seeing loads of comments and posts around lately along the lines of "when/will GPU pricing return to normal". Of course by "normal", people just mean cheaper, or basically where they were with Pascal before Turing started screwing everything up. My question is, what's "normal"? Was the older pricing "normal" or is what we have now "normal".

High-end GPUs are a premium product aimed at a premium market. Is the price of a Ferrari "unreasonable" or "abnormal"? If you're into many other hobbies/activities, you'll be well aware that the best products cost a shedload of money and are out of reach for many people.
If you're into photography, the best cameras and lenses cost many thousands of pounds. Same with bicycles, where you can easily spend thousands on a decent road or mountain bike. I have musician friends who think nothing of spending thousands on guitars.

Manufacturers will sell things for the most they can get away with. In my mind, the 2080Ti was the key product which made NVidia realise that people would pay far more for a top-end GPU. Suddenly we went from the £800 of the 1080Ti to the £1200 of the 2080Ti and people still lapped it up. The market was never the same again.
 
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In my mind, the 2080Ti was the key product which made NVidia realise that people would pay far more for a top-end GPU. Suddenly we went from the £800 of the 1080Ti to the £1200 of the 2080Ti and people still lapped it up. The market was never the same again.
It was the crypto booms that gave Nvidia the idea for higher prices, like when people were paying 1000+ for GTX 1080ti's and then last time around 1200 for the 3070 and 800 for the 3060 which is why we now have renamed cards using the same size dies going for those prices.
 
It was the crypto booms that gave Nvidia the idea for higher prices, like when people were paying 1000+ for GTX 1080ti's and then last time around 1200 for the 3070 and 800 for the 3060 which is why we now have renamed cards using the same size dies going for those prices.

No its your over valuation of RTX and impoticular DLSS.

As i said....

Don't be surprised when ##70 class cards hit £1000, soon and soon after ##60 class cards

You think i'm joking? the 4080 is $1200 and the 4070Ti already $900.
 
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I haven't overvalued anything, I always said the 4080 isn't worth anymore than £750-800 which is why I never bought one. The same applies for AMDs overpriced cards which have even worse feature sets.

you put too much value on those feature sets, you think AMD's cards should be half the price because of those feature sets, the only way that will even happen is if Nvidia keep jacking the prices to a point where AMD can do that and still be profitable.

Maybe they are working together on this, eh?
 
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Make no mistake AMD are happy watching Nvidia ramp the prices up, it means they can too, it normalises it when someone they aren't going to be too critical of does it, AMD certainly couldn't do it.... they are the ones who get it in the neck with a $500 6800XT like GPU while the 4070Ti gets called "good Value" by the same people, or was that the 4080? It doesn't matter...... they are both terible.
 
Well whatever the number is. If all you play is RT games, then yes it is faster. If you play a more balanced selection of games, it might not be necessarily faster.

To me even at half the price the 7900xtx would be too expensive. Like it was said before, DLSS, FG, lower power consumption, RT/PT which are going to grow in the future, all are huge advantages to me. AMD is non existent. Fair that is a good solution for others who can ignore all that.

High-end GPUs are a premium product aimed at a premium market. Is the price of a Ferrari "unreasonable" or "abnormal"? If you're into many other hobbies/activities, you'll be well aware that the best products cost a shedload of money and are out of reach for many people.
If you're into photography, the best cameras and lenses cost many thousands of pounds. Same with bicycles, where you can easily spend thousands on a decent road or mountain bike. I have musician friends who think nothing of spending thousands on guitars.

Manufacturers will sell things for the most they can get away with. In my mind, the 2080Ti was the key product which made NVidia realise that people would pay far more for a top-end GPU. Suddenly we went from the £800 of the 1080Ti to the £1200 of the 2080Ti and people still lapped it up. The market was never the same again.

Not only high end GPUs suffer from this, all GPUs do.
Comparison with other hobbies doesn't hold up. My D3300 is making just as good pictures as it did about 7 or 8 or whatever years ago (in terms of image quality). when I first bought it. So do all the lenses that I've got. Newly bought Z6II will still do great pictures too, funny enough, perhaps at times not better than the older sibling. :)) . The cheap 100 euros guitar that I've got will still play the same now as it did a couple of years ago and still will do so in the future. My 2080 can't play the new "songs" that I wanna play on it just as good and can't offer the same "image quality" with games today as it did in the past... Heck, even that Ferrari will keep its performance as time passes. Perhaps even getting more expensive! :))
tbf all 3 GPUs will still need to be backed by a decent system.

Yeah, but on the 5800x3d it seems, at times, the 4080 is at the limit or not able to stretch it legs. How a 4090 would do then? :)) I see the 7800x3d is about 17% ahead at 1440p. If I look at the relative difference between 4080 and 4090 at TPU is only 28% now. How much remains after taking another 10-17% or whatever it would be for 1440p? Does the 4090 makes sense then? :D

 
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@Calin Banc you need to ask yourself how much you are willing to pay for those features because Nvidia will test your dedication to them right up to the point of pricing you out.

Lets hope you're not really that dedicated.
And what should be do when it comes to upgrading? Buy and support the companys product who isn't providing in the areas he needs/care for?
 
High-end GPUs are a premium product aimed at a premium market. Is the price of a Ferrari "unreasonable" or "abnormal"? If you're into many other hobbies/activities, you'll be well aware that the best products cost a shedload of money and are out of reach for many people.
If you're into photography, the best cameras and lenses cost many thousands of pounds. Same with bicycles, where you can easily spend thousands on a decent road or mountain bike. I have musician friends who think nothing of spending thousands on guitars.

Very fine line on this - the 4090 I see kind of in the same vein as say a Ferrari, which touches on your comment about people still lapping it up when the 2080ti shot up in price - people will pay top money for the best of the best, but they won't do that for second best which is where the rest of the stack comes in. IMO nVidia kind of screwed up in this respect because probably 80-90% of the people who've bought a 4090 would have bought it if it was 2K, 3K maybe even higher, while the 4080 really isn't special enough to command a £1+K price tag - at £800 it would have flown off the shelves as fast as they could make them.
 
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