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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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I think the whole point of the super refresh is to boost flagging sales not add more overpriced rubbish to the line up.
Also goes against history. It's just to try and paint nvidia as the villain of the story. $200 price bumps...
~$50 to cover inflation maybe, but most likely same price points to boost sales and to prevent prices falling below MSRP like they are currently.
Gonna be a bargain given expectations are being built up nvidia detractors.
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Caporegime
Yes but this is Nvidia we are talking about, it depends on how they calculate that, more income and or higher margins may be flood the market with more GPU's. not necessarily bring the price down, that would mean reducing margins.
Nvidia are on a mission to get us used to paying ever more, not less., they figure "well what else are you going to buy? "
They won't want to be left with a tonne of inventory again going into the 5000 series release so will be cutting prices regardless by the summer.
Soldato
We thought that though with Ampere after the stock built when the crypto crash kicked in.. however we know how that turned out. The only card from memory that got a big slash was the 3090Ti.
I believe you’re right. Unless they have to price/performance match AMD, those new GPUs will just slot in the already available models. I don’t believe they’ll replace the price bracket of existing models and existing models have a price cut. If after the launch, the 4080 and 4090 still holding their launching prices, NVidia doesn’t really need to drop prices. Clearly no financial incentive to please the gaming community.
Caporegime
They made too many 3000 series cards because they made the mistake of thinking the crypto boom would never end, even then they didn't reduce the price of the 3000 series they just put off launching the 4000 series.
The AI boom is not likely to come to an abrupt end. And China will buy anything they have.
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All of them got price cuts, the 3080ti went down to £850 and 3090 £950, the price was inflated so much after crypto though that the price cuts only really brought the others down to were they would have been normally.
I hope you’re right, but I don’t think that will happen. Nvidia don’t really need to release the Super series to fight AMD. They’re doing as stop gap until next gen, allegedly due in 2025. They still have the powerful and eye watering expensive 4090 leading performance, and selling well despite the price.
The only reasonable thing would be cards to compete with the 7800XT and 7900 in price/performance, as the 4070 and 4070ti are way weaker than their prices suggests.
Entry level, sadly is dead. Either AMD or Nvidia seems to care/cater for people targeting £200-250 cards.
No one expect a mid range to be able to do 4K, ultra on AAA games, but the performance often is insulting.
Caporegime
Right, AMD don't exist, we all know AMD are like the Casio of the watch world. no one wants them unless all you can afford is £8.99.
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I bet they release the 5000 series in Q4, the rumour that they are releasing next year is probably misinformation put out by Nvidia to get people to upgrade now rather than wait.
Caporegime
RX 7700, 7800 and 7600XT leak.... CES.
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AMD doesn’t have a card to challenge the 4090. A lot of users will by their low-mid tier cards because Nvidia have the fastest card, despite them buying trash.
The 6800 was a good option. So is the 7800 and the newly priced 7900. But why Nvidia would drop price of something faster than the 4080?
Caporegime
Challenge? depends on how you define challenge? the 4090 is 20% faster for £700 (80%) more, for 100 FPS vs 120 FPS i can get the GPU, a 7800X3D, an AM5 motherboard and 32GB of DDR5 for the 4090 alone.
Are you saying people don't buy AMD because they are not the ones with the fastest card? AMD have had the fastest card in the past, it made no difference.
Intel had the fastest gaming CPU's vs Ryzen 1000, Ryzen 2000 and Ryzen 3000, AMD still outsold Intel.
AMD don't have DLSS.
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Caporegime
Its used to be PhysX, it used to be drivers, weirdly to some it still is..... now its DLSS. Its always something that's nothing to do with the GPU that means you shouldn't buy AMD.
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Nor:
- cuda
- dldsr
- reflex
- ray reconstruction (currently just 2 games but will start becoming more prevalent now that it works with normal ray tracing and not just PT)
- frame gen (official integration for fsr 3 is currently at 3 games and as evidenced, still doesn't work as well as nvidias FG)
And of course, lesser RT perf.
Hence why amd have to price lower.
If amd weren't always playing catchup, they would be in a better position to dictate the market.
Of course if all you care about is raster and vram, well then there you go, amd have you covered so why not buy their options on offer now?
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As a 3080 owner spending a £1000 gets you around a 50% uplift or spending £600 more for closer to 100% uplift, the 4090 is expensive but its still better value than a 7900XTX / 4080 when looking at the performance jump.
Caporegime
As a 3080 owner spending a £1000 gets you around a 50% uplift or spending £600 more for closer to 100% uplift, the 4090 is expensive but its still better value than a 7900XTX / 4080 when looking at the performance jump.
Spending £1600 to double your performance from your previous gen £650 GPU, You think that's a good deal?
You're crazy.
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I didn't say it was a good deal just better than spending £1000 for 50% more performance.
If you add up the raster + RT increase over the 3080 and then divide price by that figure the 4080 would have to cost £805 while the 7900XTX would have to £610 to match the 4090 value in all around performance.
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