Man of Honour
You didn't read the post properly, prove that your 7800XT can run a game using full ray or path tracing at over 120fps. You claimed it can, it cannot.
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Caporegime
Ah... there are your qualifiers, any game that you or i can run at over 120 FPS 4K is disqualified, any game you can does qualify.
That's not how this works, you don't get to dictate the rules when they don't suit the narrative.
Man of Honour
I don't even know what you are on about now, there are no qualifiers, you are inventing a scenario that simply does not exist as a means to somehow bring a 7800XT into an Nvidia 40 series thread.
Caporegime
My argument is quite simple, the 4090 has an out of date bandwidth limited Display Port.
You argument is there are no screen capable of it, there are, your next argument is even your 4090 cannot drive a game you cited above 120 FPS 4K, that's completely irrelevant, its one game.
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Man of Honour
I have no argument, I am merely stating matters of fact. You claimed a 7800XT can run RT/PT at over 120fps, to this moment you still have not provided any proof of such capability and instead have gone off on a tangent.
Again what even are you talking about?
The fact that at least one DSC enabled 4K display was out in 2022 means DP 1.4 is capable of 240Hz (compressed but still capable).
Point 2, the mention of the 4090 not being capable of driving such high fps to warrant 240Hz gaming is still valid, even if you had a DP2.0 enabled 4090 and a Neo G8 in 2022m you would not be getting over 120fps anyway in more complex games like these, hell even games that don't use RT can't manage near those sorts of fps at 4K, your golden child AKA Starfield is case in point, didn't Todd say it uses the "latest technologies"? Hmm....
Whether this was known to Nvidia or not doesn't matter, they might have foreseen this as engineers and decided there's no point putting it in since the 50 series was already on the drawing boards and its spec mapped out as is the norm for technology manufacturing just like how CPU roadmaps span several years.
It's also not just one game, plenty of games use the more advanced ray tracing effects, your 7800XT falls short when enabling even the most basic of RT options anyway generally as we've all seen the review graphs and comparisons.
Again what even are you talking about?
The fact that at least one DSC enabled 4K display was out in 2022 means DP 1.4 is capable of 240Hz (compressed but still capable).
Point 2, the mention of the 4090 not being capable of driving such high fps to warrant 240Hz gaming is still valid, even if you had a DP2.0 enabled 4090 and a Neo G8 in 2022m you would not be getting over 120fps anyway in more complex games like these, hell even games that don't use RT can't manage near those sorts of fps at 4K, your golden child AKA Starfield is case in point, didn't Todd say it uses the "latest technologies"? Hmm....
Whether this was known to Nvidia or not doesn't matter, they might have foreseen this as engineers and decided there's no point putting it in since the 50 series was already on the drawing boards and its spec mapped out as is the norm for technology manufacturing just like how CPU roadmaps span several years.
It's also not just one game, plenty of games use the more advanced ray tracing effects, your 7800XT falls short when enabling even the most basic of RT options anyway generally as we've all seen the review graphs and comparisons.
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Caporegime
When i get home tomorrow and record my self playing a game at 4K with over 120 FPS, upload it to Youtbe and put it here will you concede?
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Caporegime
Wait....
No i didn't. Quote where is said that.
No i didn't. Quote where is said that.
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Man of Honour
You specifically replied to my Cyberpunk comment that your card can run it at over 120fps at 4k, so you need to post a video showing the settings screens too, with settings that match those mentioned.
Caporegime
When i was talking about running a screen 120 FPS 4K i was talking about the Display Port bandwidth driving the screen, you added Cyber punk as a counter argument.
We are talking about two different things, you are talking about Cyberpunk, i'm talking about Display Ports.
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Man of Honour
I used cyberpunk as a quick example as it offers the most obvious evidence. But the notion applies to all modern games using heavy engines.
I eagerly await your video of a 7800XT going above 120fps at 4k with max settings in a heavy modern title.
I eagerly await your video of a 7800XT going above 120fps at 4k with max settings in a heavy modern title.
Caporegime
Evidence of what?
Man of Honour
You're either trolling now or just being obtuse, it's not worth continuing this back and forth with such tediousness.
Caporegime
No i'm serious, the 4090 has an out of date Display Port, Cyberpunk has nothing to do with that.
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Even 120fps is REALLY pushing it at 4k for a 4090, lol.
Looking at TPU, Avatar 4k: 60fps *** Alan Wake 2 RT:46 / PT 32 *** Lords of the Fallen: 54, even AC: Mirage is barely 103
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The only way to get high frame rates at 4k is by dropping settings, perhaps significantly, going full blast with DLSS/FG.... In newer games would probably be better to just drop resolution.
Looking at TPU, Avatar 4k: 60fps *** Alan Wake 2 RT:46 / PT 32 *** Lords of the Fallen: 54, even AC: Mirage is barely 103
)The only way to get high frame rates at 4k is by dropping settings, perhaps significantly, going full blast with DLSS/FG.... In newer games would probably be better to just drop resolution.
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I think he was trying to say the faster display port on the 7800xt is a waste of money because its not useable, but implying the card cannot drive any monitor that requires the modern display port that the card has
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Caporegime
Ignoring the Desktop environment its self there are practically an infinite number of game that can be pushed to 240 Hz at 4K, not just with the 4090 but any high end modern GPU.
And yes you can do it with modern AAA titles using DLSS and FG, isn't High FPS what these things are for? How is it that for this DLSS / FG no longer matter?
And i never would have thought that for people spending the most money, by far on the halo GPU of all they would have an [Insert Midlands Accent] "That'll do" philosophy to them.
Of course its usable.
And yes you can do it with modern AAA titles using DLSS and FG, isn't High FPS what these things are for? How is it that for this DLSS / FG no longer matter?
And i never would have thought that for people spending the most money, by far on the halo GPU of all they would have an [Insert Midlands Accent] "That'll do" philosophy to them.
Of course its usable.
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Soldato
I remember back in the day when the 980Ti had HDMI 2.0 and the Fury X had HDMI 1.4a. What I don't remember is humbug making this big of a deal of it when it was AMD with an out-of-date display connector.
I've got a 144Hz 4K screen that only has DP 1.4a, so you can do 144Hz @ 4K with a 4090, so it's not a big problem.
I've got a 144Hz 4K screen that only has DP 1.4a, so you can do 144Hz @ 4K with a 4090, so it's not a big problem.
Man of Honour
Name some of them so we can watch reviews of them and see what the actual fps is vs what this claim seems to state then.
Caporegime
Are you just going to disqualify ones i name?
Man of Honour
Might do, name them...