NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Personality+]

For you to not use it until Xmas 2025?

Sounds about right, but FOMO too strong.

Is Frame Gen worth using? I just got myself a 4070ti Super,and I keep hearing mixed opinions about it

Yes I think it's worth using, just not for ultra competitive shooters/games. Where any added latency is detrimental to your performance.

If you're after the best visual experience then use quality preset.

 

[stellasuppa]

Is Frame Gen worth using? I just got myself a 4070ti Super,and I keep hearing mixed opinions about it

it does depend on the situation but the answer is yes if you can keep the base frame rate around 55/60fps

 

[Joxeon]

Couldn't justify the extra 300 quid for 4gb extra vram and fairly minimal performance gains. 3 years? Jesus christ. Think I'll be ok if I drop a few settings no?

Just get a 7900XT if VRAM is a concern, can regularly find deals on these at £550 and they are 20% faster than a 4070s in raster.

 

[Case1987]

Sounds about right, but FOMO too strong.

Yes I think it's worth using, just not for ultra competitive shooters/games. Where any added latency is detrimental to your performance.

If you're after the best visual experience then use quality preset.

Thanks

 

[atthegates]

Just get a 7900XT if VRAM is a concern, can regularly find deals on these at £550 and they are 20% faster than a 4070s in raster.

Vram is a concern but I went with the 4070s as I want the option of ray tracing and amd can't provide that for me. I don't plan on moving to 4k res so I'm hoping I'll be ok at 1440p. Feels ******* awful worrying about a new gpu's vram before even getting it but the price jump to the 4070 ti super is ridiculous considering it only has 5-10% gains. Yes it has the vram headroom but I'd need the vram headroom and huge jumps in performance to justify that mental price.

 

[Joxeon]

Vram is a concern but I went with the 4070s as I want the option of ray tracing and amd can't provide that for me. I don't plan on moving to 4k res so I'm hoping I'll be ok at 1440p. Feels ******* awful worrying about a new gpu's vram before even getting it but the price jump to the 4070 ti super is ridiculous considering it only has 5-10% gains. Yes it has the vram headroom but I'd need the vram headroom and huge jumps in performance to justify that mental price.

The old AMD can't do RT is a common misconception and while certainly favours Nvidia when looking at the same tier of cards the 7900XT is 1.5 tiers higher than the 4070S so over a spread of games in RT there isn't actually much in it. Once VRAM does run out though the 4070S falls quite a way behind as shown in 4k so I don't expect the 4070S will age as well and we may find it has fallen behind even at 1440p in a year or two.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

so I don't expect the 4070S will age as well and we may find it has fallen behind even at 1440p in a year or two.

Hence me getting a 16GB card in April, I'd already run into a few situations where the 10GB on my 3080 wasn't enough at 1440p.

Not sure a 12GB card at this stage is a wise move.

 

[atthegates]

The old AMD can't do RT is a common misconception and while certainly favours Nvidia when looking at the same tier of cards the 7900XT is 1.5 tiers higher than the 4070S so over a spread of games in RT there isn't actually much in it. Once VRAM does run out though the 4070S falls quite a way behind as shown in 4k so I don't expect the 4070S will age as well and we may find it has fallen behind even at 1440p in a year or two.

I can see the gains over the 4070s in something like a 4080. But with a 4070 ti super being so close to the 4070s in actual performance surely the extra vram headroom won't make a difference 3 or 4 years down the line when they're both struggling more? Like the same way a 3060 is struggling now. If the 3060 had 16gb of vram it would still be struggling as it just doesn't have the juice.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

surely the extra vram headroom won't make a difference 3 or 4 years down the line when they're both struggling more?

If it's making a difference now then yes, of course it could.

It's Nvidia being stingy with VRAM that's causing these issues. They want people to pay and regardless of whether you or I agree with that, if you want more video memory then they make you pay for it.

In your position, I'd be inclined to return the 12GB card and get an AMD alternative with more VRAM. As stated above, a lot of people think that AMD cards cannot do RT at all when this is patently untrue.

 

[TNA]

Whyyyyyyyyy!!! You utter mad lad lol

He is a genius according to mrk. He could flip it for over 2K apparently

 

[atthegates]

If it's making a difference now then yes, of course it could.

It's Nvidia being stingy with VRAM that's causing these issues. They want people to pay and regardless of whether you or I agree with that, if you want more video memory then they make you pay for it.

In your position, I'd be inclined to return the 12GB card and get an AMD alternative with more VRAM. As stated above, a lot of people think that AMD cards cannot do RT at all when this is patently untrue.

Yep might be worth considering. My biggest concern is upscacling. I have a ps5 and fsr is used for the majority of games on there. Looks horrible. Not sure i want to be stuck with fsr for the next few years when dlss looks notieably better.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Yep might be worth considering. My biggest concern is upscacling. I have a ps5 and fsr is used for the majority of games on there. Looks horrible. Not sure i want to be stuck with fsr for the next few years when dlss looks notieably better.

FSR3 is way better than FSR2, go check out some videos, it's infinitely better than it was. AMD's FG is also very acceptable now.

The version of it used on the PS will be game dependant, but any game using FSR3 should look good.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Yep might be worth considering. My biggest concern is upscacling. I have a ps5 and fsr is used for the majority of games on there. Looks horrible. Not sure i want to be stuck with fsr for the next few years when dlss looks notieably better.

The old adage “you can’t have everything on the cheap” applies here. If you want DLSS and VRAM and grunt then get a 4090.

 

[atthegates]

The old adage “you can’t everything on the cheap” applies here. If you want DLSS and VRAM and grunt then get a 4090.

Tell me something i don't know. Was painful enough handing over 600 quid never mind 2000.

 

[atthegates]

FSR3 is way better than FSR2, go check out some videos, it's infinitely better than it was. AMD's FG is also very acceptable now.

The version of it used on the PS will be game dependant, but any game using FSR3 should look good.

To be fair it looks like you put your money where your mouth is in terms of the 4080. No vram concerns and the best upscaler. Even fsr3 looked rough on ps5 but maybe that's just because of super low internal resolution.

 

[JediFragger]

If you want DLSS and VRAM and grunt then get a 4090.

Best value.

 

[MM-Seat]

Reading the GPU hierarchy it looks as though a 4070 is good for 4k 60 fps. Do we think the 5070 will maintain that considering games will invariably become more demanding in that time frame?

 

[heatonpkmassive]

To be fair it looks like you put your money where your mouth is in terms of the 4080. No vram concerns and the best upscaler. Even fsr3 looked rough on ps5 but maybe that's just because of super low internal resolution.

Well that's just it, it was unexpected cash otherwise I'd perhaps still be running the 3080. That said, the best value appears to be the 4090. Don't get me wrong, I do like this card a lot, powerful yet also efficient. But I think 959 quid was a LOT of cash for it.

I think you might be right on the PS3, but a PC would give you more control over the internal resolution. I really would check out how FSR3 is running on PCs though, it's come on in leaps and bounds compared to when it was first introduced.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Reading the GPU hierarchy it looks as though a 4070 is good for 4k 60 fps. Do we think the 5070 will maintain that considering games will invariably become more demanding in that time frame?

Not if it comes with 12GB.

 

[atthegates]

Best value.

lol