NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Twinz]

Have a feeling both the 80 class cards are going to get panned in reviews.

With the $700 3080 as a reference for good performance per dollar, the $1200 4080 16gb needs to be 70% faster just to be stagnant. Anything less and it means Ada money is slower than Ampere money.

 

[muzzydark]

I see they changed the title of that video from "The RTX4090 looks SICK". I wonder did viewers give them what for in the comments section... If so, good! The last thing we need is for tech tubers to be normalising these prices.

J2C already said "you're getting something MORE against price increase" pointing 3080 vs 4080 what a BS

 

[Greebo]

With the $700 3080 as a reference for good performance per dollar, the $1200 4080 16gb needs to be 70% faster just to be stagnant. Anything less and it means Ada money is slower than Ampere money.

But you will have 2x+ pergformance in "nest gen" games and dlss 3 though......................................

 

[TNA]

J2C already said "you're getting something MORE against price increase" pointing 3080 vs 4080 what a BS

Why does anyone even watch that guy? His name keeps coming up in here

 

[Purgatory]

It is possible to trade transistor density/area for frequency and performance requirements - don't assume that 80BN at 814mm2 is the max possible - theoretically TSMC 4N can do something like 82-83BN at 600mm2 on paper. You'll often find a non-linear relationship depending on requirements of the chips near the upper end.

I'm not saying either you or Kopi are right or wrong.

Ohh I know mate, also a lot of the space could be used as power planes/heat sinking and not actually full of transistors there. This is why I would love to see a to scale die shots of both and see what they have done. Also have you seen the coolers for the 4090 and the heat pipes and vapour chambers.. Maybe the chip is very dense compared to the hopper chip and no space left unused, it's just annoying seeing claims like that without some proof in some way, we will have to wait for der8auer or someone to show the dies for both and what Nvidia and TSMC have done.

 

[jwilliamson47]

Wonder how well DLSS 3 will work on 3000 series cards.

 

[Housey]

How many overs do we expect the 4090 to be and what month in 2027 will I be able to get one?

 

[Mr Jack]

I see they changed the title of that video from "The RTX4090 looks SICK". I wonder did viewers give them what for in the comments section... If so, good! The last thing we need is for tech tubers to be normalising these prices.

YouTubers often change the title several times shortly after release, hoping that different names will pick up different viewers.

 

[mrk]

Wonder how well DLSS will work on 3000 series cards.

It will work as it has always done, and will improve still as it evolves.

An nvidia dev explained it in another thread, but the gist of it is:

• DLSS 3 is a superset of DLSS 2.
• DLSS 3 has three parts of this superset (Frame Generation, Super Resolution and Reflex), the only part that is exclusive to RTX 40XX is Frame Generation which predicts and draws the frames ahead of use, (this is what NV said is drawn at 120fps?). frame Gen is possible on RTX 30XX but the Optical Flow Accelerators needed for it on 30XX are slower/lower quality from what the dev has stated.
• As DLSS 3 is a superset of DLSS 2, DLSS 3 upgrades over time will continue to benefit older cards only capable of DLSS 2 as these will still gain improvements. So 30XX isn't dead in the water with "only" DLSS 2 like many are thinking.

So in short, yes DLSS 3 can still be used on 30xx, just we won't get the full benefit as we won't have Frame Generation being utilised as the OFA isn't as efficient on 30xx.

How much performance we miss out on will be shown in independent reviews. It might turn out to be only a small bump in frames in actual production titles for the 4080 cards, whereas the 4090 sees the biggest jump.

Let's see some reviews.

 

[ZhenW]

The RTX 4090 looks amazing on paper, but the MSRP is just crazy especially in this global economic climate... will be holding on the RTX 3090 until the third party ones match the 'non-scalper' prices the 3090s had briefly enjoyed.
4080 12GB is just 4070 in disguise, makes me wonder how much watered down the 50s and 60s will be with souped up prices...

 

[uscool]

Yeah the only real upgrade for a 3080 or above owner is a 4090 and that is just to much to spend to play some games.

yeah same here in a way quite happy will save me money now not gonna give anything to the greed and skip next gen and stick with the 3080 I play at 1440p and see what AMD and Nvidia has after 2 years

 

[dave1983]

Wonder how well DLSS 3 will work on 3000 series cards.

It wont as it's hard locked to the 4000 series, they done it purely for greed and would be a free upgrade for the 3000 series. However after all the rubbish they pulled with MSRP this would have won some support if DLSS 3 was available to Ampere Cards as a sorry.

 

[Rroff]

Ohh I know mate, also a lot of the space could be used as power planes/heat sinking and not actually full of transistors there. This is why I would love to see a to scale die shots of both and see what they have done. Also have you seen the coolers for the 4090 and the heat pipes and vapour chambers.. Maybe the chip is very dense compared to the hopper chip and no space left unused, it's just annoying seeing claims like that without some proof in some way, we will have to wait for der8auer or someone to show the dies for both and what Nvidia and TSMC have done.

To be honest I find the graphics card situation of late super depressing and don't have much enthusiasm for following what is going on.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Stonking deal on the MM atm for a 3080ti

 

[TNA]

Stonking deal on the MM atm for a 3080ti

That will all depend on what AMD brings to the table in less than two months time I guess. Plus you have a brand new 3080 12gb which is essentially almost the same performance with spider man game for £50 more.

 

[arknor]

Anyone who held out this long might as well buy a ps5 or just stick with the pc they have until new games come out

 

[tommybhoy]

I can see it already, there is a high probability you will just end up sticking with your 3090 and skip a gen

To be fair he's still gonna get high Res assets in the buffer if he keeps the 90.

I'm sticking on the 80, that'll do me as AMD will probably price accordingly just below NV, what you getting?

 

[dave1983]

I'm sticking till we see what future games will hold, most minimum specs are still around the 1060. The only demanding game i could see would be Witcher 4 (based on how bad coded cyperpunk was) and GTA 6 which isn't out till at least 2024 apart from MSFS which will improve over time i cannot see highly demanding games that need 24gb Ram.

 

[Purgatory]

To be honest I find the graphics card situation of late super depressing and don't have much enthusiasm for following what is going on.

I'm in the same boat mate, with a lot of the current and upcoming tech. Well at least this gen they gave us a little more money in our pockets to not waste on their products and use for more sensible things, hobbies we have neglected for a while or time to update essentials in our homes.

Last Gen I gave Nvidia my money and my hope to keep them for 5 years at least is turning out to come true, it's not like I was going to update to 40 series because I wasn't and from this event I have little hope 50 series is going to make things any better by then.

I honestly think people should keep their money in their pockets this Gen and find something worth spending on and keep some of that money as a security blanket while we ride out this mess in the economy and also lets not forget COVID hasn't gone away too and last thing we all need is to get ill and spent our savings on such a silly product this time, anyone with a decent card and happy with it should stick with it and ride this out and hope Nvidia gets the hint and prices these things at a more normal price.


@HACO good call keeping your card that you had on the MM, not worth it mate.

 

[Poneros]

I wanted to upgrade for Cyberpunk 2077 mostly, and somewhat anticipating Avatar, but that will be far enough away that it won't matter much either. Looking at it now though it's like... the actual raster increase is somewhat pathetic given all the hardware it's packing, and only really for the 4090, and then besides Cyberpunk what do I actually want to play from what they've shown so far where DLSS 3 will be integrated? Almost nothing, maybe Wukong & Atomic Heart if they turn out alright. Then I also know these prices are in no way real, so a year from now they'll probably pull a Turing 2.0 and have a proper Super line-up of cards again where the performance/$ will go back to earth, maybe a few more games will get DLSS 3, maybe a few more games will come out with RT and be interesting. For Cyberpunk alone I'm no longer in a rush, and with FSR 2.1 I can already turn on all RT (but not upcoming overdrive mode) so it's not that big of a deal, if anything I need a new CPU more for it than a GPU upgrade.

Guess it all points to waiting for 2024, and at that point I think AMD will get a proper architectural overhaul and actually compete on AI/RT, so RDNA 4 (MCM finally?) vs 6000 series will be a real contest again. But most of all we just need more games that are worth buying such hardware for, it's been a dead season since Cyberpunk's release tbh.