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NVIDIA 4000 Series

ChocAndGray said:
I will be as a 3090 is nowhere near powerful enough to run most modern games with raytracing at 4k120.

The 4000 series cards won't be either, they'll still need DLSS. Roll on cards that can run at native 4k at well over 100fps with raytracing.

I'm still shocked that I can't play Horizon 5 at 4k 120, it doesn't look that demanding. And I struggle to hold 60fps in certain areas of Wonderlands at 4k 100% resolution scale.
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4K 120fps path tracing ultra settings probly looking at RTX6000 for that, so check back in 5 years until then DLSS is king
 
Grim5 said:
4K 120fps path tracing ultra settings probly looking at RTX6000 for that, so check back in 5 years until then DLSS is king
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I actually hate all these upscaling technologies. I know there are a lot of side by side comparisons that show minimal difference between native and DLSS etc but on my tv I can tell the difference when I enable and disable it. It's easy to look good when looking at a screenshot on a small screen, but on a tv it looks blurrier in my opinion.

If I could have a monitor (I can't accommodate a desk in my setup) I'd just buy a 1440p one, 4k is too much for this hardware. It's almost laughable that people talk about 8k.

I've tried 1440p on my Oled but it looks too blurry for me.
 
ChocAndGray said:
I will be as a 3090 is nowhere near powerful enough to run most modern games with raytracing at 4k120.

The 4000 series cards won't be either, they'll still need DLSS. Roll on cards that can run at native 4k at well over 100fps with raytracing.

I'm still shocked that I can't play Horizon 5 at 4k 120, it doesn't look that demanding. And I struggle to hold 60fps in certain areas of Wonderlands at 4k 100% resolution scale.
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Nexus18 said:
Echo the above.

Amazes me how people spend over double the money just to get an extra 15-20% at the very most (most of the time, the difference is 10%). Really is mind boggling.
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So long as you get your moneys worth, that's the main thing. I went for the 3080ti and pleased I did. In VR sim racing I can run max settings at native res but only at 90fps. The performance graph in ODT shows it just above the red....only just. I think anything less and I'd have to start dropping res or the eye candy.

To be honest, if I start adding SS my GPU really starts to struggle, let alone trying to run at 120fps (which feels so much smoother).
 
jonneymendoza said:
Those were still top end cards...

I got a 3090 because it was the only card that was available briefly...

And it cost the same as most none founder editions 3080(i got the founders edition)
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That’s how I ended up with my 5950x, FOMO as it was in stock and I was eager to get building. As it happens by the time I was actually ready to build other 5000 series were in relatively plentiful supply!
 
ChocAndGray said:
I actually hate all these upscaling technologies. I know there are a lot of side by side comparisons that show minimal difference between native and DLSS etc but on my tv I can tell the difference when I enable and disable it. It's easy to look good when looking at a screenshot on a small screen, but on a tv it looks blurrier in my opinion.

If I could have a monitor (I can't accommodate a desk in my setup) I'd just buy a 1440p one, 4k is too much for this hardware. It's almost laughable that people talk about 8k.

I've tried 1440p on my Oled but it looks too blurry for me.
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Agreed, DLSS is a blurry mess. I ran my 3090 on a 1440p and 4K screen and preferred 1440p for the extra performance. Even the 3090 isn’t powerful enough for 4K (120FPS+ Native) and that’s without RT!
 
VTR said:
Agreed, DLSS is a blurry mess. I ran my 3090 on a 1440p and 4K screen and preferred 1440p for the extra performance. Even the 3090 isn’t powerful enough for 4K (120FPS+ Native) and that’s without RT!
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Do you still game at 1440p?

I tend to compromise and use the internal scaling in games instead as it keeps the UI etc at 4k but just renders the main game internally at a lower resolution.

A good example is Wonderland's and Borderlands 3. I set the resolution scale to 75% for the higher frame rates.

It looks better that way than me just setting the game to 1440p as otherwise everything is blurry then on a 4k TV.
 
ChocAndGray said:
Do you still game at 1440p?

I tend to compromise and use the internal scaling in games instead as it keeps the UI etc at 4k but just renders the main game internally at a lower resolution.

A good example is Wonderland's and Borderlands 3. I set the resolution scale to 75% for the higher frame rates.

It looks better that way than me just setting the game to 1440p as otherwise everything is blurry then on a 4k TV.
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Yeah, still using my Asus 1440p 165Hz 27” IPS. Used my 48” LG C1 for a while but it was too big and I wasn’t happy with 4K performance. To clarify both screens were run at native res, never tried 1440p on the OLED, agree resolution scaling in game is the better way of doing it.

Ive downgraded to a1080Ti until the 4000 series now (won’t game as much over summer and mostly on PS5 and Switch) where I’ll get the best available model on launch, sold the 3090 for £1250 so don’t mind paying around that or a bit more. Looking to upgrade the monitor at the same time then, Alienware QD-OLED maybe.
 
VTR said:
Ive downgraded to a1080Ti until the 4000 series now (won’t game as much over summer and mostly on PS5 and Switch) where I’ll get the best available model on launch, sold the 3090 for £1250 so don’t mind paying around that or a bit more. Looking to upgrade the monitor at the same time then, Alienware QD-OLED maybe.
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You're lucky you've got another card to use in the meantime.

By the time I sell my 3090 the value will be really low.

Especially if a 4070 outperforms it.
 
ChocAndGray said:
You're lucky you've got another card to use in the meantime.

By the time I sell my 3090 the value will be really low.

Especially if a 4070 outperforms it.
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Took a bit of a gamble selling it snd seeing what popped up on MM and who knows what availability will be like at launch. Bought a 1060 for £160 but then a 1080Ti popped up for £295 so running that for now. Looking at a 2080 Super now though also :cry: My 3090 only had 1 years warranty I might have held on otherwise.
 
Grim5 said:
Specs leak from semianalysis:

"The top dog in the Ada architecture is AD102 at 611.3mm2. It’s a huge jump with over the previous generation GA102, with 70% more CUDA cores coming from 5 additional GPCs. The memory bus width remains the same at 384-bit, however memory speeds improve slightly to 21Gbps. Despite the increase, this will not be enough to feed the beast. AD102 has 96MB of L2 Cache, far above the last generation GA102’s 6MB of L2 Cache. There is a new memory controller, PCIe5 and DisplayPort 2 and updated NVENC encoder with AV1 support. NvLink has been completely removed."
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From this chart and current Ampere set I can say:

4090 24GB 384-bit
4080 16GB 256-bit
4070/4060ti 12GB 192-bit
4060 8GB 128-bit
4050 8GB 128-bit

They may use AD103 for 4070, AD104 for 4060. In that case we may have 4050ti (AD106) with 8GB and 4050 (AD107) with 4GB hilariously.
 
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