NVIDIA 4000 Series

ballj · 19 Apr 2022 at 16:42

jonneymendoza said:
It will cost more than 20 quad extra surely?

Depends on how much you use it, and how much power it will draw, but using the following numbers:

200W increased useage vs current gen
2h per day of gaming/gpu load
Roughly 200 days of useage per year
Price of kWh = ~£0.30

Usage per day = 200W * 2h = 400W or 0.4kWh
kWh per year (increase over existing gen) = 200 x 0.4 = 80kWh
Total increased costs = 80 * 0.3 = £24

ballj · 19 Apr 2022 at 17:06

DeliciousStorage said:
Energy costs are a consideration, but the main concern is heat output because in the summer a 300w and above card plus 100w or so for other components will be very uncomfortable. I'm hoping for a 4070 with GDDR6 memory that has 3090 like performance for around 200w. The node jump alone going from Samsung 8nm to TSMC 5nm should be a massive leap in efficiency.

Time to go with WC with radiators outside the window ;p

uncle_rufus · 19 Apr 2022 at 19:09

Pfft, increased energy costs. I could smash my fuseboard up with a hammer and just replace the whole thing 2, or even 3 times over every month with my whopping salary

Random Guy Esq. · 19 Apr 2022 at 19:58

Dave2150 · 20 Apr 2022 at 09:34

IMO MSRP of the 4080 will be £1000. 4090 (or 4080ti) will be £1600. Nvidia knows these will sell out no matter what AMD brings to the table, as the vast majority are happy to pay more for the stability and reliability that Nvidia bring (that or just 'mindshare' of wanting Nvidia).

Still can't believe how 3090's are so popular etc, when RX6900's are very similar performance, yet available for months with loads of stock at near half the price. Nvidia's mind share is just huge.

gpuerrilla · 20 Apr 2022 at 09:59

Dave2150 said:
IMO MSRP of the 4080 will be £1000. 4090 (or 4080ti) will be £1600.

Not far off, but here's what I reckon. I'm going with £799 for the 4080, and the 90 £1499 for the FE launches. Again it will be a couple months after when the 4070 will be out.

Miganto · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:04

ballj said:
Depends on how much you use it, and how much power it will draw, but using the following numbers:

200W increased useage vs current gen
2h per day of gaming/gpu load
Roughly 200 days of useage per year
Price of kWh = ~£0.30

Usage per day = 200W * 2h = 400W or 0.4kWh
kWh per year (increase over existing gen) = 200 x 0.4 = 80kWh
Total increased costs = 80 * 0.3 = £24

Which equates to a few hours of having the gas central heating on... not sure why people are always so focussed on the electricty cost when it's so very minimal of an increase compared to how expensive gas / heating is.

gpuerrilla · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:18

Your either aware of it or not. Put it this way, when AMD were power hungry cards pushing them hard to even get close to nvidia it was a major talking point each time. When the roles are reversed its strange how the excuses are suddenly justifiable..

jonneymendoza · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:26

gpuerrilla said:
Your either aware of it or not. Put it this way, when AMD were power hungry cards pushing them hard to even get close to nvidia it was a major talking point each time. When the roles are reversed its strange how the excuses are suddenly justifiable..

Toss in the fact that electricity and gas prices are at an All time record high and further increases could happen in October.

How are people not even remotely concerned?

Dave2150 · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:32

jonneymendoza said:
Toss in the fact that electricity and gas prices are at an All time record high and further increases could happen in October.

How are people not even remotely concerned?

IMO the main thing to be concerned about is if your salary isn't going up this year. Many private employers have given substantial pay increases this year, especially for industries in need.

uncle_rufus · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:34

**cries in public sector**

Nah not really, I'm leaving next month to a nearly 3x salary increase in the private sector for the same job (don't worry I'm not going to smash any GPUs with a hammer)

Dave2150 · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:41

uncle_rufus said:
**cries in public sector**

Nah not really, I'm leaving next month to a nearly 3x salary increase in the private sector for the same job (don't worry I'm not going to smash any GPUs with a hammer)

Best to argue for 5x salary in this climate. Should cover the 4080ti downpayment

Grim5 · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:47

Intel says next gen GPUs can have 1800w spikes

https://wccftech.com/atx-3-0-power-...00w-power-excursions-next-gen-graphics-cards/

Gothamgoblin · 20 Apr 2022 at 10:53

Do we need the new ATX 3.0 power supplies for next gen? When will they be for sale?

Dave2150 · 20 Apr 2022 at 11:21

Gothamgoblin said:
Do we need the new ATX 3.0 power supplies for next gen? When will they be for sale?

Nope, you can use old PSU's, just with either 3 or 4 8pin cables into an included adaptor. Will be very messy though with all the extra cables.

gpuerrilla · 20 Apr 2022 at 11:44

Dave2150 said:
IMO the main thing to be concerned about is if your salary isn't going up this year. Many private employers have given substantial pay increases this year, especially for industries in need.

True, I got a 2% rise in January pay then the rest of the economy jacking up means I got a pay cut of about 5% :cry:

people should think a lot deeper about the regular things as they will all add up a considerable whack this year especially on subscriptions and generally luxury items.

Darujhistan · 20 Apr 2022 at 12:05

gpuerrilla said:
Your either aware of it or not. Put it this way, when AMD were power hungry cards pushing them hard to even get close to nvidia it was a major talking point each time. When the roles are reversed its strange how the excuses are suddenly justifiable..

Yeah, isn't that amazing?

:cry:

gpuerrilla · 20 Apr 2022 at 12:19

Darujhistan said:
Yeah, isn't that amazing?

Or not!

Being a user of both since forever you get to see all the excuses. Thing was back when the 290x was a guzzler that I had we were only paying about 11p a unit. Today we are looking at 30p and maybe October near 50p if you are unlucky. But still..

champ222 · 20 Apr 2022 at 12:34

Dave2150 said:
Nope, you can use old PSU's, just with either 3 or 4 8pin cables into an included adaptor. Will be very messy though with all the extra cables.

I'd like to see them do away with adding more and more cables and just opt for thicker cables. it wont be long before gpu cables look like motherboard cables, which in them selves are daft. I'd much prefer 12v only motherboards with a 2 pin power cable with appropriately large cables. a smaller connector to handle standby power etc. 2 pin cable for CPU and 2 pin cable for GPU. decent plugs and appropriately sized cables would do the same job, but would be much neater than 8, 12, whatever cables that are largely just 12v and 0V in repetition. it would make custom cables much easier too. Just my opinion though.

Dave2150 · 20 Apr 2022 at 12:45

champ222 said:
I'd like to see them do away with adding more and more cables and just opt for thicker cables. it wont be long before gpu cables look like motherboard cables, which in them selves are daft. I'd much prefer 12v only motherboards with a 2 pin power cable with appropriately large cables. a smaller connector to handle standby power etc. 2 pin cable for CPU and 2 pin cable for GPU. decent plugs and appropriately sized cables would do the same job, but would be much neater than 8, 12, whatever cables that are largely just 12v and 0V in repetition. it would make custom cables much easier too. Just my opinion though.

The direction we're headed, they'll end up integrating a PSU into the GPU, and we'll just plug in a mains power cable directly into the back of the GPU

Would prevent people using terrible PSU's and would allow Nvidia to charge much more!