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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Richdog said:
Well actually, it does matter how wealthy you are as to whether you can afford nice things without breaking a sweat. There are tons of people (even on this forum) who spend silly money on expensive and fuel-guzzling cars, or who regularly go out on weekends and blow wads on alcohol in pubs and clubs, and that is FAR more fiscally 'stupid' than buying an expensive GPU's that you get good and worthwhile use from every day you game on it over its generational lifecycle (or beyond).

£2000 over 2 years, with an approximate 50% resale value at the end of those two years making the overall cost around £1000, is not a terrible investment if you love gaming and want the best experience you can get.

But yeah, it's still expensive for a GPU and Nvidia suck for raising things to this pricepoint. I will wait to see what AMD bring to the table before making any decisions.
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50% resell value is optimistic unless you sell a few months before the new card launches. 3090ti are only £999 new everywhere.
 
Greebo said:
50% resell value is optimistic unless you sell a few months before the new card launches. 3090ti are only £999 new everywhere.
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That is primarily because there was an artificial balooning of prices above MSRP and then a big crash with a huge surplus of inventory. That is the only generation so far in history where this has happened, unless you happen to know of another I am not aware of?

And I have to disagree with you because generally if you sell before the new generation hits you get more than 50%. If you sell high-end cards after you can generally expect around 50% or even more depending on the situation.
 
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Twinz said:
The ability to blow money on toys is nice, but there is a point where I'll just feel like a damn fool if the amount of money I spend is way more than the amount of "happy" I get out of the toy.

The performance on offer this time doesn't seem to move the needle for me as much as I was hoping it would.

I get buyer's remorse just looking at the "today's games" part of Nvidia's charts.
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I understand this, some of my friends are still on 1080, 1080ti and I'm on Vega and if I'd spent twice as much I wouldn't regret it.

However, my full high end at the time system (z170 deluxe, 6700k, 32gb dominator platinum cl14 3600mhz, vega 64) cost less iirc than a 4090. Makes it harder to swallow even though most of us waste money on one use stuff like booze which adds up to a lot over time!
 
The 3000 series launch was a one off, miner's with demand and scalper's fuelled the high prices, the pandemic and ferlow demand and scarcity of the high end 3090's fuelled higher prices even more. this time around Nvidia has its allocation by TSMC which it tried to cut back on but was not allowed. This gives Nvidia a high allocation of GPU chips it has to pay for.
They are hoping they can shift this allocation but its not a given they will, they might even end up with a higher surplus near the end of the 4000 series, but will try to make as much profit as they can from early adopters of the 4000 series, and later we shall see the 4090ti and maybe a full fat Titan in the 4000 series.

Nvidia needs to sell the 4000 series allocation but must also know with out miner demand and plentiful stock mean's the scalper's will also not be driving prices. also people waiting for the so called cheaper 4000 series will now look at the cheaper 3000 series cards instead, also diminishing Nvida 4000 series demand. AMD are in a better position, new Ryzen CPU's also due any time, Console's and updated GPU's along with the new 7000 series GPU. If AMD play there cards right with no massive price hikes they could steal away Nvidia custom and sell all there allocation if the 7000 series of GPU's perform to expected levels with out being 600w power muncher's needing new PSU's to run them.

Will be interesting to see how many will hang onto the 3090 and 3090ti's they have now until the better 4090ti is released this time around, or maybe a Titan full fat card. one thing for sure the 2nd hand market for cheap 3090 cards at £500 to £600 for those who dont need the latest and greatest gen will be getting the best deal's.
 
mrk said:
You can just 0% finance a GPU+PSU upgrade like many do, it's not hard and it's an easy route to bump up your credit score as well.

But the main point is there aren't enough games that NEED a 40 series to get the best out of for that kind of money, something that for all intents and purposes ---if we sideline DLSS3 for a week or so until the reviews are out that deep dive all over it-- a 3080/90 series will fly through anyway and which most will already have anyway who are serious about higher end scale of gaming in the handful of games that command that sort of power currently.

If there were a shopping list of games that absolutely benefited from the new power then sure I could see the point (assuming all of nvidia's claims turn out to be true, which at present doesn't seem that way but we will have to wait on reviews). A handful of upcoming games is not reason enough to be buying £2k graphics cards when not even a year later the [prices will be dropped almost certainly in a big way to make room for the Ti cards, and if the rumours are true that AMD can introduce their new cards at an undercut price too.

If that is the case then nobody is going to be parting ways in 2 years time at 50% resale value lmao.

Buy smart.
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"there aren't enough games that NEED a 40 series to get the best out of for that kind of money" - says who? Do you believe you speak for everyone lol?

Plenty of games need > 3090ti performance at 4K IMO.
 
Interesting info from TPU: https://www.techpowerup.com/299175/...aying-cyberpunk-2077-temperatures-around-55-c

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 is turning out to be a cool operator, with the GPU reportedly boosting up to 2.8 GHz (2810 to 2850 MHz) at stock settings, when playing Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p, in its "psycho" settings preset. with DLSS and Reflex disabled. At native resolution, the RTX 4090 scores 59 FPS (49 FPS at 1% lows), with a frame-time of 72 to 75 ms. With 100% GPU utilization, the card barely breaks a sweat, with GPU temperatures reported in the region of 50 to 55 °C. With DLSS 3 enabled, the game nearly doubles in frame-rate, to 119 FPS (1% lows), and an average latency of 53 ms. This is a net 2X gain in frame-rate with latency reduced by a third. The power-draw is also said to be significantly reduced. The card pulls up to 461 W when rendering at native-resolution, but this drops down to 348 W with DLSS 3 "quality," a 25% reduction.
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Putting aside the ridiculous 4 slot usage and price, the power usage, gaming temps are really impressive. The above reads like the fans should be spinning very quietly given the active temps whilst playing Cyberpunk there. My 3080 Ti FE undervolted still hits 80 degrees in 2077 for example running the same settings (but at 3440x1440).
 
mrk said:
Interesting info from TPU: https://www.techpowerup.com/299175/...aying-cyberpunk-2077-temperatures-around-55-c


Putting aside the ridiculous 4 slot usage and price, the power usage, gaming temps are really impressive. The above reads like the fans should be spinning very quietly given the active temps whilst playing Cyberpunk there. My 3080 Ti FE undervolted still hits 80 degrees in 2077 for example running the same settings (but at 3440x1440).
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TBF at 4 slots it would be a massive fail if gpu temps were not under control
 
vapor matt said:
this time around Nvidia has its allocation by TSMC which it tried to cut back on but was not allowed. This gives Nvidia a high allocation of GPU chips it has to pay for.
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I couldn't give a rats ass that's their problem. Creeping up prices for hardware year on year is just greed. They come up with many names for all the line-up milking the market. If people keep apologising for them then we are doomed.
 
deuse said:
I'm not paying £2,000.
I will wait till the pound gets stronger.
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Also the 4080s.....;)

KFA2 RTX 4080 16gb: £1,299.95
PNY RTX 4080 16gb: £1,289
KFA2 RTX 4080 12gb: £999
PNY RTX 4080 12gb: £ 989

Pound getting stronger will mean this government needs to be gone first.. So see you when 50 series is out if this government either fixes things or replaced with something better.. Yet to figure out what is better yet as they are all as bad as each other..
 
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deuse said:
I'm not paying £2,000.
I will wait till the pound gets stronger.
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deuse when this happens:

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